so..my girlfriends sister is pregnant at...

dbmzk1 said:
Well the fetus doesn't even form until about 8-9 weeks. They start to form basic attributes of a life form from then onwards. They start to feel pain at 16-18 weeks. I'm guessing its at this point you could say they start become a human.

The brains higher functions start at 26 weeks. This is when the fetus attains consciousness. This is why the law says you can have an abortion up to 24 weeks into a pregnancy.

Surely even that is creul if they start to feel pain at 16 - 18 weeks
 
chesterstu said:
Surely even that is creul if they start to feel pain at 16 - 18 weeks

Not really, because it doesn't know what pain is yet nor can it think OMG you **** :p
 
Vixen said:
The pill is around 99% effective, I believe. It doesn't actually give a figure anywhere in the booklet for the one I use, which is slightly disturbing. There are also a lot of women who aren't told things like antibiotics will stop the pill working, or what to do if you miss a pill. Even if you take it perfectly though, 1 in 100 women per year will get pregnant.

Hmmm i'm no woman, but i have read in the lil instruction booklets that if you miss a pill you must take it as soon as you remember and continue the normal pill taking regime. I think if you read in depth, it will say things about not being on other drugs while on the pill (possibly under the side effects)
 
Gaygle said:
Hmmm i'm no woman, but i have read in the lil instruction booklets that if you miss a pill you must take it as soon as you remember and continue the normal pill taking regime. I think if you read in depth, it will say things about not being on other drugs while on the pill (possibly under the side effects)

Actually, it depends on the pill. For most, if you're within 12 hours, you continue as normal, but if it's over 12 hours then you're not protected for 7 days.
 
On the topic of contraception, you are always recommended to have 2 forms in use at the same time. Sure two don't feel as good, in the case of condom + pill, but two are significantly safer.

On the topic, she could always have the kid and give it up for adoption, although that is not a very nice thought and is an entirely different arguement. I am against abortion in general, just because there isn't consciousness does not make it right. Some cases I feel it's justified but only if right for all parties concerned.

Good luck to her whatever she chooses.
 
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riddler said:
^ shes on the pill, god knows how its happened

she admitted to regulary having sex without a condom relying purley on the pill

Isn't she worried about catching anything far nastier? I can understand not using one if she's been in a long trusting relationship for a while but it doesn't sound like it.

Like most people I don't like condoms, and I can understand how in the heat of the moment you can forget but I'd still rather not risk it.
 
Vixen said:
The pill is around 99% effective, I believe. It doesn't actually give a figure anywhere in the booklet for the one I use, which is slightly disturbing. There are also a lot of women who aren't told things like antibiotics will stop the pill working, or what to do if you miss a pill. Even if you take it perfectly though, 1 in 100 women per year will get pregnant.

I think its more a statisical percentage, like the condom. The 1% is there for 2 reasons.

1 - Liablilty, if its 100%, then you can pretty much sue for child maintainence !

2 - Human error or plain unlucky. The pencentage comes from a test of so many numbers of subjects tested and how many it fails on. Most of the time it is due to failure to take it in the same time of day, there's bound to be someone who missed it totally, or for half a day. Or someone will take it with a cup of tea or coffee (you shouldn't), which can make it ineffective, or take it with other medication. As for condoms, someone will think its wise to put 2 on, but that will just make it likely to split from the friction with 2. or put it on backwards, or use an out of date one or just plain unlucky that it split.

Correct use of these contraceptive should be 99.999999% effective, if she was taking the pill right, she was REALLY unlucky.

Hell, if its only 99% effective. Is that means for every 100 times you have sex, 1 time out of that 100 will get you pregnant? For some teenagers, thats practically guarantee for the first few months together, they'll be at it like rabbits, 100 times is easily done. Is that why teenage pregancys are so high !!!!!!!!!! ;)
 
17 year old + baby = life over
I was thinking to myself yesterday on the train about if I had a kid at the age 17/18, I'd hate it.
Tell her to get rid of it mate.
 
Pill + Condom.

Ffs she's been with the guy for two minutes. No condom? What are they teaching children today?

As a bloke I'd wear one for agood few months into a relationship and I'd hope any woman I was with would insist on it too.
 
riddler said:
Cons - loses the next so many years of her life, and also has to deal with the money troubles.

WTF? You have no idea what having a child involves, it's the most exciting time of your life.

riddler said:
But still shes an out-going party girl who'll reap the benefits of having kids later in life

So was my wife before i knocked her up, nightclubs and getting wasted every night aren't a patch on having a child.
 
My ex gf's sister also got pregnant at the age of 17. They were stupid - they weren't using any protection.

However, they decided to abort it which I honestly believe was the right decision. She was too young, had no money, nothing. There was no way she could have supported a child properly. You have to weigh up the differences between giving a child life and giving a child a good life. If you can't support it in any real way, it would have been miserable.

Another friend of mine got pregnant at 15 - she also chose to abort it, I don't think I need to go into the reasons why. Having kids that young will take your life away. You need to live and have kids when you're ready. Yes, it's stupid to make mistakes like that but you don't want to regret throwing your own life away at that age too. May as well make a decision when you can actually do something about it because when it's born, you have to care for it for life.
 
Ex-RoNiN said:
Has no one thought of giving the kid up for adoption?
I wouldn't want to go down that route. The less chance she has to get emotionally attached to it the better, that is, if she doesn't want to keep it.

If it were my child I'd want it aborted....Hmm let me rephrase. If I were in that position (i.e. very young) I'd want it aborted. Now I'm not so sure, I probably still would, but at least now I have some life experience and financial backing to decently support a child.

However, I know I'm still not ready. Mentally at least. She'd need people to be there for her if she does have it aborted. I can't imagine what it must be like for a woman to go through.

I think it would be cruel to keep it.
 
chesterstu said:
WTF? Abortion because she's not ready how selfish.

I am successful, i have a degree in Software Engineering and lead a normal productive life but I was born when my mum was 15. Should she have aborted me because she was too young?

What a crap excuse. But if she wants to be a murderer then thats her choice

What does your mum do for a living?
 
SB118 said:
WTF? You have no idea what having a child involves, it's the most exciting time of your life.



So was my wife before i knocked her up, nightclubs and getting wasted every night aren't a patch on having a child.

You only have your own experience to go on. Plus apparently you were married when you had a child? e.g. you were "ready" and it was planned?

Please forgive me, but I don't really think your experience relates to this one, given the circumstances. (:))
 
riddler said:
opinions?

Keep the baby and get a new flat from the council, then claim money from the bloke or benefits. Claim that the boyfriend isn't living with her for single person benefits even if he is (just don't get caught).
 
Jono said:
You only have your own experience to go on. Plus apparently you were married when you had a child? e.g. you were "ready" and it was planned?

Please forgive me, but I don't really think your experience relates to this one, given the circumstances. (:))

My wife was 19 when she got pregnant, having our daughter has changed her life (for the better!), she admits that she has a better time at home playing with our "screaming poo machine" (who is now 2) than her friends out on the razzle.

Thought the "party girl" of the thing of the OP needed putting into context.
 
SB118 said:
My wife was 19 when she got pregnant, having our daughter has changed her life (for the better!), she admits that she has a better time at home playing with our "screaming poo machine" (who is now 2) than her friends out on the razzle.

Thought the "party girl" of the thing of the OP needed putting into context.

:cool: Fair play then :) I just made some random assumptions.
 
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