So tell me on your keyless go mechanisms

[Schizophonic]

I've seen a perticular Lexus model where thieves are exploiting the CANBUS via the headlight on the drivers side, they pull apart the fender to get access to the wire, tap into it and then drive away. They say if this Lexus is seen driving at night with only one headlight, chances it was taken off the driveway of someone's house.

It goes to show, I've heard people's attitude where if its been stolen they dont want anything to do with it even if there are chances of it being protected in someway. What would you do?

 

[lordrobs]

I've turned keyless off on my car but external cambus access is the new problem and much harder to defend against, so bought a steering wheel lock to slow them down.

The world has gone crazy. People are resorting to a massive yellow steering lock, straight out of the 1990's, to resolve a problem introduced by the convenience of not having to press a button to unlock a car. That doesn't seem particularly convenient!

As for hacking the CAN-BUS, that is pretty scary but not all that surprising really. Maybe the security upgrade on the next generation of £50k+ luxury cars will be a steering lock and wheel clamp combo!

 

[Trifid]

The world has gone crazy. People are resorting to a massive yellow steering lock, straight out of the 1990's, to resolve a problem introduced by the convenience of not having to press a button to unlock a car. That doesn't seem particularly convenient!

As for hacking the CAN-BUS, that is pretty scary but not all that surprising really. Maybe the security upgrade on the next generation of £50k+ luxury cars will be a steering lock and wheel clamp combo!

It's even worse though, most people have the basic through the wheel lock and the theifs just cut the steering wheel to remove them. I'm away this week so have the disklock on and disconnected the power! No one is taking my car away.

 

[Nasher]

The world has gone crazy. People are resorting to a massive yellow steering lock, straight out of the 1990's, to resolve a problem introduced by the convenience of not having to press a button to unlock a car. That doesn't seem particularly convenient!

As for hacking the CAN-BUS, that is pretty scary but not all that surprising really. Maybe the security upgrade on the next generation of £50k+ luxury cars will be a steering lock and wheel clamp combo!

That is what car security has devolved back to since the 00s. If you want to secure something well it needs to be mostly physical security, it has always been the way :/

The alarm systems on many modern cars might as well not exist either. On many modern cars you can break certain windows and it won't even go off as most of the sensors are gone.

 

[jonchaz]

How easy would it be to add some sort of hidden kill switch to a modern car? Have it break a connection to the fuel pump or something more accessible but still needed to drive the car away?

 

[Demon]

The Tesla phone key system is probably the worst system I've used.

It just about works OK with a Samsung S22U, but my wifes S21U, she can have it charging on the bedside cabinet and I can go outside, get in the car and drive it off.. had to disable mobile phone unlock with hers, but it does still use the NFC on the phone as a key card so all wasn't lost.. THe problem is it uses a really approximate method via bluetooth to detect distance something that isn't great if your driveway goes up to your house, so it will unlock/allow you to drive (if turned on) from 6M+ away..

Shame, both our phones have UWB, so theoretically it would be perfect if Tesla had UWB, but I suspect the extra space/size of houses over in the US mean it's a problem they don't need to solve.

However, UWB gets around the relay attacks, NFC is oddly susceptible to relay attacks, but I guess the relatively short distance they work over makes getting the transceiver close to it a bit harder..

However, I've never cared about it, I much prefer the convenience of keyless entry/go, I've had this on the last 5 cars I've owned and not worried about it, and as people are finding out, the additional methods of CANbus hacking or module replacement defeats everything.. there is always a weak link.

 

[Trifid]

How easy would it be to add some sort of hidden kill switch to a modern car? Have it break a connection to the fuel pump or something more accessible but still needed to drive the car away?

I've seen some options on Chinese selling sites for a remote switchable fuse for the fuel pump but not sure I'd want to trust the reliability of my car to these low cost options. It is still annoying having to use a steering wheel lock to feel comfortable leaving my car at night, I'd rather car manufacturers prioritise security over comfort features and other poorly thought out 'intelligent' monitoring systems.

 

[Schizophonic]

At the end of the day, high value cars are either put in a shipping container and off to another continent or broken into pieces to be sold on the 2nd hand market.
Driving around in a stolen car causes more suspicion and there are so many identifiers which need work to remove its original identity.

My car has a manufacture built tracker through the app, it can be tracked to an degree but if its in a lead box it wont be transmitting any signal plus the thieves are smart enough to disconnect the battery.