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so whats the fastest card at present

Personally I would go with the GTX 295 at my resolution (1920x1080). I think the X2 does very well at 2560x1600 and AA though, so 30" users should bear that in mind.

edit - Disclaimer: This is assuming that a person asking for ' fastest card at present' doesn't care about the price difference.

If they do, the prices on the 4870X2s are hard to ignore for the high end users.
 
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its a sad state of affairs when somebody can be hung drawn and quartered on the forums for bringing up a valid point. if you would rather recommend a card without care for the cost and slam those that bring the point up, then perhaps you would like to prove just how much faster the gtx 295 really is....or isnt...and let the op make his own mind up?


be careful sitting on those high and mighty chairs. you might just fall off. hard;)
 
http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hardware/grafikkarten/2009/test_nvidia_geforce_gtx_295/ That has a good comparison of the two cards and from the figures i get on games would say it's about right. Yes the 295 is faster but were talking about fps levels that you won't notice unless your one of the uber people that claim they can tell the difference in fps over 75 :). As said before it depends on whether you want to pay the extra money for the extra performance.
 
kylew said:
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I reckon for that £900 you get a maximum of 150% speed increase over a 48701GB or a GTX260/280 with a cost increase of about 4-500% Which is my whole point.
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It's the same thing with everything in life my friend - cars, TVs, vacuum cleaners........graphics cards. If you want the best you have got to pay for them.

Don't try and tell me that if money was no object you wouldn't want the best that money could buy?

You say that:
kylew said:
for the £100 difference in price you'd expect the 295 to savagely own the X2 which it does not.
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Why would you expect it to "savagely own" the X2 because of a £100 price difference? ATI have been clever by slashing the price of the X2 just as the 295 was released thus making people like you saying that Nvidia are overcharging. How long was the 4870X2 at a ridiculous price whilst there was no competition?

Just to confirm, I am not a fanboy. I just buy the best.
 
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spitzoid said:
It's the same thing with everything in life my friend - cars, TVs, vacuum cleaners........graphics cards.

If you want the best you have got to pay for them.

Don't try and tell me that if money was no object you wouldn't want the best that money could buy?
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i wouldnt and didnt.


kinda just blew your point out of the water there didnt i lol
 
neologan said:
first off:

MultiGPU Update: Finding the True Halo with 4-way
MultiGPU Update: Does 3-way Make Sense?
MultiGPU Update: Two-GPU Options in Depth

check the performance for the 1680x1050 graphs.

and second, on a 226BW, if you get any of those you have issues... you will be fine on 1 GTX285, or maybe two if you really feel you really need it at that res (two 4870 i mean). Anything more than two and you'll be making a massive mistake.
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first of all i would like to thank everyone for the replies....
since i havnt upgraded for 18 months , i just wanted to get the general feeling towards the latest graphic cards from the 2 main card manufactures ATI ,NVIDIA ,
money isnt really a problem (credit card) but i dont wanna build a new system.....
i have the choice of the samsung 226w monitor and ive a sony kdl 46300x tv so i could go up to res, 2560x1600 thats why i ask if 2 Gainward ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2 "Rampage would be worh it..
 
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Heh - while its not possible to quantify human fps sensitivity - it has been proven that the average person is sensitive to brightness at 1/200th of a second so potentially framerates upto 200fps could have useful information for the human eye.
 
james.miller said:
spitzoid said:
Don't try and tell me that if money was no object you wouldn't want the best that money could buy?
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i wouldnt and didnt
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There are some rich celebrities that appear on Top Gear and reveal that they only have crappy cheapo cars and such. Some people just aren't bothered with all the premium hardware.

Myself, I would love to have the money to stay on the bleeding edge all of the time. I have enough cash to have an i7 X58 rig, and soon perhaps SLI 285s, but that is really where I draw the line. I could afford quad SLI with 295s, but £900 for just graphical processing is hard to justify. :D
 
spitzoid said:
No, because you cannot prove it. "lol"
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i dont need to prove it thanks. i could buy the very best 10 times over, right now. i dont need to because im sensible with my money. the same reason i didnt buy a £1700 kuro and settled for a £1k panasonic plasma is the same reason i have a 4830 in my htpc and not 2 4870x2's. Money is not an issue, what i get for it is.

But if you are bothered about/interested in something, you want to best. If not, there is something wrong.
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tripe.
 
Want the best? Yes, in my case I do.
If I am stinking rich: The best, upgrades as soon as they release.
As I am now: What I can afford, and justify. I can afford an i7 965...but I can't justify it considering that my 920 is sat at 3.8GHz without breaking a sweat.
 
spitzoid said:
It's the same thing with everything in life my friend - cars, TVs, vacuum cleaners........graphics cards. If you want the best you have got to pay for them.

Don't try and tell me that if money was no object you wouldn't want the best that money could buy?

You say that: Why would you expect it to "savagely own" the X2 because of a £100 price difference? ATI have been clever by slashing the price of the X2 just as the 295 was released thus making people like you saying that Nvidia are overcharging. How long was the 4870X2 at a ridiculous price whilst there was no competition?

Just to confirm, I am not a fanboy. I just buy the best.
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I don't need to try, I'll just do it, money no object or not, I still wouldn't buy the 'best'.

Best has quite a generic meaning in reality.

What's better, a ferrari or a smart car 2 seater?

I'd rather a smart car 2 seater to be honest, I can't stand ferraris and I think they're horrible.

Just because a ferrari can go faster doesn't mean much when you can't legally go the top speed of the car anyway.

My point is, even if money was no object I wouldn't suddenly become a different person.

If I was rich, I wouldn't touch the likes of a rolex or jewlery or designer clothes, as I'm just not in to it. Even if my bank account had a few million in it, I wouldn't and couldn't justify spending £100 on a tshirt like some of my friends have been known to do. The tshirt doesn't do any more than a cheaper one, so to me there's no point.

If I was rich the most expensive thing I'd buy would be a house, and I'd make sure my family and friends were good for money.

So no I don't want the best that money can buy because generally best is highly subjective and very rarely justified.

Value to me is always proportional to things already on the market. If you can get 95% of something for 70% of the cost, then the more expensive item is a rip off in my opinion.
 
It kinda boils down to more money than sense in my opinion. What actually is the benefit of staying on the cutting edge of technology?

I have a single 280 which should last me the rest of the year, I'm enjoying the games I play, everything is completely playable and most of all enjoyable. (Crysis, GTA IV, FC2, Mirrors Edge etc)

There really is not justification for quad SLi 295 other than status, bragging rights or perhaps self reassurance and comfort. Material possessions can be uplifting, people enjoy having new toys and receiving stuff. At the end of the day, if these things were simply not released or took longer to be released, you would have to make do without them anyway.

Gaming wise, you're still gonna get owned online by people with worse hardware than you. Similarly there will be loads of people will have less powerful hardware that get more enjoyment out of what they have.

Mind you, this doesn't apply just to PC hardware, but to everything really. Thing is, there's always going to be someone who has something newer, better or more expensive regardless if you hop onto the bandwagon yourself :)
 
there's no need for personal attacks. i wasn't rude to you so i expect the same back.

So you are saying that if you had an genuine interest in something (a hobby) you would not want the best equipment money could buy in order to facilitate your enjoyment of it, if you had the money??
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no. i built and designed my own subwoofer for example. I could have just gone and bought a pb13-ultra but i didnt, why? because i cant justify the cost of it when i can do so well for a 1/4 of the price. Its obvious you have absolutely no clue that people other than yourself have different priorities in life.

Oh and grammar-critique? thats about the lowest form of wit you'll find on any forum. If you dont have a valid point to make dont say anything at all because in one post youve made yourself look like a complete fool. Thanks for the entertainment.
 
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