So....

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...I sold my M5, as many of you know.



































But this took its place.

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That's a bit more like it.

Unfortunately the weather has been utterly abysmal, so I haven't had a chance to take any decent pictures - but I thought I'd put up the few I managed to take inbetween downpours.

I still can't quite believe it's parked outside, at the moment. I picked it up last Saturday but because of work I couldn't really look at it until yesterday.
It is a 1968 Pontiac Firebird and, as far as I can tell, originally it was a 350 V8 engined car.

Spec-wise, well, I'll tell you as much as I know.

It's now a 400ci 6.6 litre V8, bored 30 thou over (so it's even bigger), with Keith Black pistons, H-Beam rods, Edelbrock alloy heads, Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, Comp Cams roller rockers and a nasty, aggressive, XR276HR Comp cam punching the valves open. There's an obligatory set of Mickey Thompson rocker covers. Gases exit via Dougs (they're not Dougs, they're mine) hot-coated headers into a custom exhaust system. Fuel is liberally poured down its throat by a Barry Grant Speed Demon 750 carb. Ignition's handled by a Summit electronic distributor with integrated coil. I think the fuel pump's a Carter item. A big Moroso sump and a nice alloy rad with integrated trans cooler keeps things cool. There's also an external oil filter assembly but it's not plumbed in yet, as the engine's just finished running in.

Backing that up is a new Turbo 400 transmission with a shift kit and 2400RPM stall convertor, and a chunky Hurst shifter.

At the back it's got an 8.5" 10 bolt GM axle with an Eaton posi, Moser shafts and a C-clip eliminator kit. The previous keeper tells me that the powertrain's set up to handle about 650BHP.

The most interesting bit? Someone's tried to make it competent at going around corners. It's fitted with Hotchkis suspension all round with lowered springs, uprated dampers, front and rear anti roll bars, uprated bushes, a fast ratio performance steering box, Moog joints and bushings, assisted front hydraulic disc brakes and big Crager steel wheels. They're 10x17 at the back, with sticky Mickey Thompson tyres.

Other than that, it's pretty standard. :D :p

It's all pretty much new - so it still needs setting up, tightening, some trim fitting and that kind of thing, as well as some cosmetic detailing. It'll keep me busy for a long while, at least. The interior, a lot of which is new, has been hurridly thrown back together so just needs going through and refitting properly.

Things that need doing at the moment? Well, barring a service, I need to get the rear diff reshimmed up at Hauser Racing as there's a bit of a whine when you back off. The whole axle is new barring the ring and pinion and the previous owner reinstalled it without shimming it properly. D'oh! Strange oversight to make.

I'm thinking that I'll also need to get a vacuum canister because there's there's virtually no brake assistance at idle - although oddly it still stops pretty well. I'm not going to get ahead of myself though because it's not set up or tuned properly yet, so I'll wait until I've had a chance to fettle the fuelling and ignition. I get the feeling it's idling too low so it's probably not generating enough vacuum. Easily fixed.

Here's a few more pics:

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It's going to be quite a learning experience, I can tell you that.
 
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But needs a better steering wheel..;)

Agreed, my unique 6-piece steering wheel doesn't quite cut the mustard :D Unfortunately heat and time has caused the plastic to shrink, hence why it looks like it does. I may replace it with a Grant item, or another original one in good condition.
 
Are you going leave the standard seats in it or get some recaro's or something that will hold you in place better ?

Not sure yet. The standard seatbelts are just lap belts, which is quite entertaining. I may try a decent harness first, then go from there.

Very nice, though not too keen on the black wheels.

I wasn't sure about them either - but they look good in real life. A nice set of period alloys would look the business, though. Probably lighter, too!

Thats really nice :), tho its odd the after-market radio is all the way over there and not replacing the stock one, isn't that difficult to reach?

Well, it's nice that they've retained the period stereo - and there's a remote for the modern unit - but it is a bit 'busy'. I may swap them around and ditch the period unit for something modern, but period-looking. There's also a huge amp and a subwoofer in the boot :D
 
You'd hope! If I'm honest I have no idea what it's capable of, yet. I nursed it back when I bought it, because it needed checking over, so I've yet to put the pedal to the metal. It really, really revs though - so I need to get the rev counter working so I know what it's turning as there's no limiter.

Reputedly it should be churning out around 450BHP and 420ft.lb - but to achieve that it'll need a rolling road session, I think.

Mind you, the standard 400ci V8 with 335bhp would do 0-60 in 5.8 seconds. Not too shabby for a 43-year old!
 
Do you live anywhere near mk?

Yea, just about 15 mins outside of it :)

Thanks JRS! Well, hopefully I'll find out properly next weekend - just a few things to check over and then I'll take it for a nice test cruise and a victory Burger King. :p :D
 
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Looks like a beast. Planning to change the wheels? Something big diameter in silver will suit it well :)

For some reason I'm thinking mega diameter Minilites...

Maybe, but not in the immediate future. I was thinking of something from the AR range. Not sure yet. Did see a lovely set at the Supernats so will have to have another look the same time next year!

Good luck with the fuel bill on that!

Doesn't bother me at all :D This is something that's just plain fun and for me to enjoy. Even though the M5 would do an easy 10-15mpg more, you'd have to drive it ten times the distance - and at three times the speed - to get anywhere near the same kind of sheer grin factor that this has. This is considerably faster (in a straight line) than the M5, too. :D

That pretty much is the reason for selling the M5. It was a ferociously competent car but it wasn't a car you wanted to drive just for the sake of it. It wasn't something entertaining to take out the weekend - more a very purposeful tool. This, on the other hand...

...well, just starting it up is an experience in itself :D

I don't even have to drive it to love it. Just looking at it, watching people's reactions - and listening to it - hits those buttons!
 
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Yea - although it has a slightly unconventional action.

To engage reverse, from park, you have to pull back on the lever while squeezing the trigger. To engage neutral you then have to push the lever down, into the tunnel, and pull it back - that's drive.

You then pull all the way back for first, knock it up once for second, and once again into drive.

This transmission also benefits from a shift kit - which means shifts are faster and much sharper - and a high-stall torque convertor. That basically acts like a clutch that doesn't lock up until 2400RPM, instead of at the standard 1400RPM. The reason for this is to allow the engine get closer to its peak power before you leave the line, preventing it from bogging down.

Imagine side-stepping the clutch in a manual car at 1400RPM - it'll either stall out, or bog down nastily. Do it again, but at 2400RPM, and it's much more likely you'll get a little chirp from the tyres, and be off the mark quickly.
 
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So you had it shipped over from the states?

No - it is a fresh import though, only been in the UK since July. Reputedly only done about 30 miles on UK soil before I got it!

MeAnBoY, yea, it's not for the shy! Not why I bought it though. Oddly enough I was looking at similar wheels to Image but can't remember the name - will have to scour the catalogues at some point.
 
It cost enough :p Most expensive car I've ever bought!

There was only one other for sale in the country at the moment - may well still be the case - and it was bone stock. That was up for £16.5k!

Suffice to say I didn't pay that (about half that, mentioned in the other thread). This one does need some work though, I've no idea what kind of condition the other one is in. :)

Prices are starting to go through the roof though, so in the short term it was either buy one now, or wait a very, very long time...
 
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Still fettling the Pontiac so haven't driven it much, nor had the chance to make a proper thread about it - been out of the country lots. This, however, is what it sounds like. Just revving gently in neutral up to about 4000RPM after doing a few odd jobs today. Still needs tuning - running as rich as Bill Gates at the moment!

 
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Thanks chaps. I just can't wait to get it back on the road and see what it sounds like fully opened up and on the redline.

I'm starting to consider the possibility of fuel-injecting it, just for kicks. Maybe a Fast EFI or Retrotek kit. I love the idea of that turn-key approach and think it'd be an interesting experience.
 
It (in theory) would sound exactly the same. I'd just be replacing the four-barrel that's on it at the moment with a four-barrel multipoint EFI system. The very lumpy cam's what gives it that blat-blat-blat tone. I suspect it may get a little smoother though, as no doubt the EFI would probably react to changes in vacuum caused by the cam a lot faster, settling it down a little.

It's like when people replace twin Webers with, say, Jenvey throttle bodies - the noise rarely changes, but the idle and cold weather running is vastly improved! :)
 
Hopefully it'd do more than 12mpg, driven as gently as possible, too :D

Mind you, when I finally get it tuned, that should boost that. A little. :D
 
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