Someone ... please invent a merge in turn camera!

rypt said:
Nothing wrong with doing the speedlimit past stationary traffic in the other lane
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Omg I was doing this once. Left lane was stationary, I was in the empty right lane zooming passed. Suddenly a completely blind and mad woman pulled out from the left lane without looking or signalling just missing me by literally three inches. If I hadn't yanked the steering to the right, and had there not have been space to my right there could easily have been a couple of deaths. :mad:
 
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Had something similar last night. Left lane was flowing smoothly, went past maybe 4 or 5 cars, didn't cut in, I just drove straight till it merged into 1... then the bloke behind starts clapping at me:confused:
 
I think the views in this thread and the daily madness with cars arguing over gaining that extra 100 yards is the reason I will always comute on a bike for the rest of my life.

I can see why people get upset, regardless of the highway code... they have moved into lane early as signs have indicated loss of lane ahead. Sure it doesn't make best use of space available but at end of day on X amount of cars can pass through the lane at a time so it really makes no odds other than cause a longer tail back. Lets face it, us brits love to queue :)

A longer tailback doesn't really harm anyone (and in theory is only twice as long as if both lanes were used). I suppose it could cause congestion to other roads if it got out of hand.

Maybe OPs method of merge in turn is at fault.... if there is a long queue, charging up to cut in at last moment at the speed limit (this is REALLY dangerous btw, no excuses) will get peoples backs up. It's like 'hey im coming through my journey is much more important than yours' kind of attitude.

Late merging (ie - forcing your way through as your lane vanishes), is rude and dangerous

I dunno about all this, life is too short really... why not just join the queue with the majority of people, or get a bike if you really don't like queuing.

No doubt someone will pipe up ans say 'but flukester, you drive at 170mph and finance a i10', who gives a monkeys... i10 won't push in any more politely than a beemer, and 170mph is not the velocity to do next to stationary traffic just as 50 is not either. Hummmmmm

edit: possibly the most sensible post I've ever made, *pats back*
 
rypt said:
Merge in turn is supposed to work at the front, like a zip. You have 1 car from left lane, 1 car from right lane, 1 car from left lane, 1 car from right lane, and so on


But I guess this thread also illustrates how useless the majority of UK drivers are, given the wrong interpretations of how merge in turn works that have been stated above.
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You are correct, a zip is a good analogy, but the problem is the zip often zips up faster than the flow of traffic... you are in effect bypassing the zip and creating your own further down.
 
Flukester said:
I dunno about all this, life is too short really... why not just join the queue with the majority of people, or get a bike if you really don't like queuing.
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so we should join the queue with the rest of the people that don't know how to use the merge in turn, just so we don't upset them?:confused:
 
loltim said:
so we should join the queue with the rest of the people that don't know how to use the merge in turn, just so we don't upset them?:confused:
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Why not, makes no difference really in the grand scheme of things... or proceed up empty lane but merge in a polite manner (ie - not at 50mph up the outside of stationary traffic)

People are people though, you can't expect everyone to just let you in, in their heads they were there first and your pushing in, regardless of the highway code


A good life example of this is a garage with two tills, often one line forms serving both tills, works well.... would op or you run up to the front and jump on next available till ?...... if you explain to the queue that your are like a zip merging in turn, your quite likely to get a punch in the face lol
 
loltim said:
What do you mean "regardless of the highway code"?:confused:

They should go and learn it:(
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The highway code I'm guessing explains the method of merging... it is deffo not though law that anyone HAS to let you in. Forcing your car into a space which doesn't exist is driving without due care

If I had been sitting for 5mins in a queue and someone tried the zip method on me, I must say I probably wouldn't purposely let them in, unless they had a blue light... never had the experience though so hard to say
 
Flukester said:
The highway code I'm guessing explains the method of merging... it is deffo not though law that anyone HAS to let you in. Forcing your car into a space which doesn't exist is driving without due care

If I had been sitting for 5mins in a queue and someone tried the zip method on me, I must say I probably wouldn't purposely let them in, unless they had a blue light... never had the experience though so hard to say
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The thing is, I know how merge in turn works so if I'm sat in the left-hand lane I always let the car in the right-hand lane merge.

What right do I have to stop someone from making a perfectly legal manoeuvre?

The only problem I can see is when a second car tries to force its way in to the gap left for the car in front.
 
Panzerbjorn said:
The thing is, I know how merge in turn works so if I'm sat in the left-hand lane I always let the car in the right-hand lane merge.

What right do I have to stop someone from making a perfectly legal manoeuvre?

The only problem I can see is when a second car tries to force its way in to the gap left for the car in front.
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It's a grey area I guess... though the highway code says 'merge in turn', the car to the left doesn't 'have' to let X Y or Z car in because it's their turn.

If they don't create a gap for them tough luck really, they will have to find another gap. I guess a lot of arguments are caused by the 'merger' forcing into a gap that doesn't exist.

It's only legal if there is a gap there to move into... if not and they force a gap they are using car as a weapon / driving without care
 
rypt said:
SNIP
I'm about to pass some builders truck (a proper truck, not a van/pickup) ... and the **** moves into the middle to block me. SNIP

And why do people not comprehend how to merge in turn?
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Cheek!

Because most people only read the highway code to pass the test, for me that was, well a long time ago before road works had become necessary. The problem with the highway code is it is not publicised well enough and changes/updates are not passed on to existing drivers.

Andi.
 
rypt said:
Merge in turn is supposed to work at the front, like a zip. You have 1 car from left lane, 1 car from right lane, 1 car from left lane, 1 car from right lane, and so on


But I guess this thread also illustrates how useless the majority of UK drivers are, given the wrong interpretations of how merge in turn works that have been stated above.
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I'm just going to quote the below to you again, as you seem to be ignoring it :)

Meridian said:
1) Signs saying a lane is closing does NOT mean merge in turn. It means get into the next lane over before the outside (or occasionally inside) lane closes. A sign with big letters saying "Merge in turn" means merge in turn. Nothing else does. People may choose to if a lane is closing, but that's not what the sign means.

2) Merge in turn works in one circumstance, and one only: when both lanes are travelling at the same speed. Even then it's really only really successful at low speed, which is why the real signs are usually only seen in 30mph limits. If the lanes are travelling at different speeds then merge in turn can never work properly, if at all.


A better and more accurate name for this thread would be: "Get out of my way while I cut over at the last possible moment". Because I can pretty much guarantee that all the people who think a lane closure sign mean merge in turn like to get as far up the queue as possible, and feel pretty d*mn satisfied with themselves if they succeed.


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I will also quote the below for you, as you must've missed this tidbit seeing as you still genuinely believe doing 50mph past stationary traffic on a dual carriage way is a sensible thing to do.....

Simon said:
Ever heard of hazard perception, seems yours was off and you were lucky not to go into the back of the vehicle that pulled out.
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My work here is done. *Extends fist to the air and flies to the horizon*
 
MoNkeE said:
My work here is done. *Extends fist to the air and flies to the horizon*
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And rypt will most likely lassoo you as you fly off, bringing you back to the fray with further evidence of his position as the Messiah of the Universe.
 
MoNkeE, actually it DOES mean merge in turn.

Highway Code 288 said:
...where lanes are restricted due to road works, merge in turn (see Rule 134)...
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Highway Code 134 said:
In congested road conditions do not change lanes unnecessarily. Merging in turn is recommended but only if safe and appropriate when vehicles are travelling at a very low speed, e.g. when approaching road works or a road traffic incident. It is not recommended at high speed.
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Given the fact that the overall speed of the traffic was slow due to the roadworks, Merge in Turn is the correct method to use in this instance.
 
rypt said:
Given the fact that the overall speed of the traffic was slow due to the roadworks, Merge in Turn is the correct method to use in this instance.
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A shame about the speed of the bell end in the outside lane though....
 
one of New Zealands only good inventions:

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