SONY VEGAS PRO 13 vs Adobe Premiere 60 fps...

[rodrigox]

Here I will link you guys 2 videos with the same content. One was rendered in sony vegas, the other one on adobe premiere:

Sony -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLYgaXJLMx8
adobe -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWdvFGRDh3I

Both videos are mp4 rendered in 1080p and 60fps with 20mb bitrate...

Now explain me why does vegas produce such ****y 60 fps videos? You can clearly see the diference on how Premiere is much more smooth...

Thoughts?

 

[asim18]

Because Sony making a video editing suite is like Adobe making a camcorder.

Vegas is just a clever brand marketing software. Someone at Sony thought "Hey we sell millions of camcorders, if we have a little advert in the box with free trials to our editing program we can make some serious money here!"

I wouldn't touch Vegas for any valuable production.

 

[rodrigox]

Anyone wants to provide a proper answer?

 

[gord]

What codec are you using inside your mp4 container?

 

[rodrigox]

For the adobe one its the h264, for sony vegas MainConcept AVC.

Both codecs seem to be the same when i check them out:

adobe vid:
General
Complete name : D:\adoe vs sony\adobe gta iv.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42
File size : 34.5 MiB
Duration : 13s 683ms
Overall bit rate : 21.2 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2015-09-19 02:26:06
Tagged date : UTC 2015-09-19 02:26:07
©TIM : 00:00:00:00
©TSC : 60
©TSZ : 1

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=4, N=60
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 13s 683ms
Bit rate : 20.8 Mbps
Width : 2 048 pixels
Height : 1 152 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Variable
Frame rate : 60.000 fps
Minimum frame rate : 60.000 fps
Maximum frame rate : 60.060 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.147
Stream size : 34.0 MiB (98%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2015-09-19 02:26:06
Tagged date : UTC 2015-09-19 02:26:06
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 13s 683ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 317 Kbps
Maximum bit rate : 407 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 530 KiB (1%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2015-09-19 02:26:06
Tagged date : UTC 2015-09-19 02:26:06
Material_Duration : 13717
Material_StreamSize : 544193

Sony:
General
Complete name : D:\adoe vs sony\sony gta iv.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42
File size : 33.4 MiB
Duration : 13s 717ms
Overall bit rate : 20.4 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2015-09-19 02:30:59
Tagged date : UTC 2015-09-19 02:30:59

Video
ID : 2
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : [email protected]
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 3 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 13s 717ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 20.0 Mbps
Width : 2 048 pixels
Height : 1 152 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 60.000 fps
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.141
Stream size : 33.0 MiB (99%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2015-09-19 02:30:59
Tagged date : UTC 2015-09-19 02:30:59

Audio
ID : 1
Format : AAC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format profile : LC
Codec ID : 40
Duration : 13s 717ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 224 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 375 KiB (1%)
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2015-09-19 02:30:59
Tagged date : UTC 2015-09-19 02:30:59

 

[asim18]

Adobe framerate is variable, sony's is constant.

At first i thought it could be adobe doing some fancy frame blending but then it shouldn't affect anything if source framerate matches output framerate.

You also need to turn on vsync. You're rendering over 250 fps in game which is going to wreak havok when it comes to fitting it into 60 frames.

 

[rodrigox]

putting vsync on is gonna be a disadvantage when playing online so NO.

Also if adobe is producing smooth videos there is no reason for vegas to not. I've seen videos from vegas users and its smooth there is smth wrong with my vegas, I just dont know why and I was hoping some of u had any idea.

 

[gord]

Have they added VFR support to Premiere now? I assume your source video is variable and Vegas is converting it to constant, which might explain the change in smoothness.

Enabling vsync and having 60fps constant frame video would make your workflow easier, but if the advantage of removing it is vital to you then you need to find another way. Maybe re-encoding the source into something more consistent before using it in Vegas would fix it.

 

[rodrigox]

Guess gotta wait for a new vegas version and pray it has VFR?

 

[gord]

The thing is this thread seems to suggest that Prem doesn't support VFR, so I'm still not sure what's happening here. https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1110005?start=120&tstart=0

One guy does make the same suggestion as I did, re-encode it using handbrake before you begin editing. Is that not an option?

 

[rodrigox]

But I got no problems with the way adobe displays the video...imo thats how it should and it matches the original media source, only vegas is doign this weird ******** looking like this isnt even 60 fps.

 

[tom_e]

If you've got access to both then surely the answer is just use Adobe?

 

[gord]

I'm assuming he is using a 30 day trial and doesn't want to pay for Premiere.

Have you tried asking on the Vegas support channels why it's not performing as you wish? They may be able to give a more definitive answer on the cause and then you can make a decision whether you need to purchase Premiere or not.