Sorry, another ADSL Max Question, but really quick...

Jez said:
See my edit above, basically if your line got max enabled, with only 12db to play with you arnt going to be able to sync an awfully lot higher, as i said earlier mine was 22db at a 1152 sync, this dropped off to 4-5db by the time i got as high as 3.6-3.7mbit. 4 is just doable at 2db, but as your margin will fluctuate throughout the day as noise occurs, it just falls too low and cuts off all the time.
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Ahh quick editing, I think I follow you. ;) Basically its playing around with the limits so that you can connect at the quickest speed. Kinda like overclocking RAM on a PC... you got to get the Mhz right before doing the timings as one is linked to the other and you keep going until you get a good balance?

At least I hope that makes sense! :D

Thanks again!!!!!
 
Basically the same thing i suppose yeah, every line is different but i know for example that the max noise margin swing i see is about 2db, therefore i can push my sync as high as i can while maintaining say 4db, this means that at a noisy period it'll still have a nice workable margin of 2db to play with, which seems solid on my router.

so yeah, its just overclocking your phone line, as with all area's of pushing performance of something, you need decent stable hardware with the necessary options for tweaking.
 
Jez said:
Basically the same thing i suppose yeah, every line is different but i know for example that the max noise margin swing i see is about 2db, therefore i can push my sync as high as i can while maintaining say 4db, this means that at a noisy period it'll still have a nice workable margin of 2db to play with, which seems solid on my router.

so yeah, its just overclocking your phone line, as with all area's of pushing performance of something, you need decent stable hardware with the necessary options for tweaking.
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Thanks Jez, I appreciate the help, I know your probably sick of all the many questions.... but the Billion gear, was this the one that has the good chipset recommended by your mate,

http://www.billion.com/product/wireless/bipac7300g.htm

Last time I promise! :D :p
 
I am not sure of the model mate, i havent really talked with him about it much as my local world of pc's had the belkins which seemed top notch and i couldnt be arsed to mail order anything as it takes too long :p

I believe his name is "Pike" on the forums, if he is around then i'll point him here to pimp it a little bit, the billion uses a different method of manipulating the DSLAM setting than the belkin does, but as i havent seen it i've no idea about it.
 
Jez said:
I am not sure of the model mate, i havent really talked with him about it much as my local world of pc's had the belkins which seemed top notch and i couldnt be arsed to mail order anything as it takes too long :p

I believe his name is "Pike" on the forums, if he is around then i'll point him here to pimp it a little bit, the billion uses a different method of manipulating the DSLAM setting than the belkin does, but as i havent seen it i've no idea about it.
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Lol ok thanks, yeah try and send him over this way please! I need to get this sorted ASAP. :D
 
Firegod said:
Lol ok thanks, yeah try and send him over this way please! I need to get this sorted ASAP. :D
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My ears were burning...

My router is a Billion 7402VGP, it has a setting called Coding Gain, if you seach google for it you will find information relating to Reed Soloman error correction, what I believe it does is somehow increase the gain of each bin (4.3125khz steps) so you can get more bits in and therefore increase SNR. Be aware though it may not work for everyone but it's worth a try.

My Billion uses the Argon 432 chipset.
 
PiKe said:
My ears were burning...

My router is a Billion 7402VGP, it has a setting called Coding Gain, if you seach google for it you will find information relating to Reed Soloman error correction, what I believe it does is somehow increase the gain of each bin (4.3125khz steps) so you can get more bits in and therefore increase SNR. Be aware though it may not work for everyone but it's worth a try.

My Billion uses the Argon 432 chipset.
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Haha thanks for the reply, I was actually looking at that one too.

So should I try and get the 7402VGP, or should I stick with the normal 7402G model? Perhaps this "Coding Gain" you talk about is something additional with that router model having VOIP?

Would you say this Router is my best shot mate?

Cheers!
 
Firegod said:
.... sorry, we should have a sticky about this :p
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Bits of it are, but when they were written (and I had time), Max was still in the trial phases (and getting information was like drawing blood from a stone).
If anyone feels like it, they're more than free to suggest a replacement.

Might be a good idea to try connecting directly to the master socket with no extensions connected...

Must be just ADSL2 then...
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Nope, Max is nothing but bog standard ADSL (not that distance is particularly relevant anyway).
 
tolien said:
Might be a good idea to try connecting directly to the master socket with no extensions connected...
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When you say no extensions, do you simply mean WALL -> MODEM -> PC.

No Router and no phones plugged in?

If so, what will this hopefully show me? Obviously it's not something I would leave like that, I'm guessing its for testing soemthing?
 
Firegod said:
When you say no extensions, do you simply mean WALL -> MODEM -> PC.
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Assuming the master socket's (if it's <20 years old, should be a 2 part thing with a BT logo on it) on your wall, yes. The idea is to eliminate all your internal wiring.

No Router and no phones plugged in?
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No phones (since there'll be no extension connected to the outside world with them on it). You can connect whatever you want on the ethernet side of the modem, it's not relevant.

If so, what will this hopefully show me? Obviously it's not something I would leave like that, I'm guessing its for testing soemthing?
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If your internal wiring's crappy, you would expect to see an improved SNR margin.

Be originally said it when I checked availability of ADSL2 here...
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Be say a lot of things. Not all of them are true.
 
tolien said:
If your internal wiring's crappy, you would expect to see an improved SNR margin.
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Ahh well we can scrub that one out now I guess, every piece of wiring in the house is brand spanking new. ;) Just had it all renovated, every piece of wiring is under 1 year old mate. I guess I could test, but I doubt the wiring is to blame.
 
Firegod said:
Haha thanks for the reply, I was actually looking at that one too.

So should I try and get the 7402VGP, or should I stick with the normal 7402G model? Perhaps this "Coding Gain" you talk about is something additional with that router model having VOIP?

Would you say this Router is my best shot mate?

Cheers!
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It's nothing to do with VoIP :)
 
Ah well, PiKe, I've ordered that Router. Take a gamble in life now again I guess, it may work, it may not but I'll never know sitting doing nothing about it. ;)

Looks like I got the last one as well from the place I bought it from.....

Hey Ho! Fingers crossed ey!
 
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