Spa-Francorchamps - BELGIUM Grand Prix 2009 - Race 12/17
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Soldato
Thanks for the headsup! Shame they didn't do more time based on Brawn though. Only seemed like a few mins,
Fairplay to Ryan Briscoe to come back, race and be competetive again. A Crash like that which nearly cost him his life might have just stopped me from ever racing again!
Fairplay to Ryan Briscoe to come back, race and be competetive again. A Crash like that which nearly cost him his life might have just stopped me from ever racing again!
Caporegime
In Heikki's first season in Formula 1, in the same car as Fisi (who'd already been with the team for the last two seasons), he beat Fisi by 9 world championship points scoring 30 to Fisi's 21, and coming 7th to Fisi's 8th.
Seems pretty clear cut to me. As I've said before, Heikki hasn't prospered at McLaren but he deserved his seat on the basis of his first season's performance at Renault.
Soldato
See Post #763
It basically was a show about 'motorsport' it did about 5-7 different little stories on different racing classes,
F1 , Indie Cars, GP2 , the rest I can't remember. The Brawn bit seemed rather short though.. Ross Brawn was sitting there saying how it would be his most memorable year of F1 racing.
Soldato
Soldato
ive not been able to to see what news is over last few days, im gathering fisi is off to ferrari then? good news that is
what else has happened, would read all way through but would prefer someone to just sum it all up for me
thanks
what else has happened, would read all way through but would prefer someone to just sum it all up for me
thanks
Soldato
As he has tested for them in the past and has also shown an interst in switch to F1/4 wheels, why not? still be heaps better than Luca Badoer
Soldato
Where'd you hear that?
Would Lotus Sauber keep the BMW engines or join the long queue for Mercs? 
Soldato
Ah nice one mate, thanks a lot
i can remember someone saying they think it would be best for ferrari to get fisi for rest of season then have him as a reserve for next season (think it was martin brundel?). so very good prediction who ever said it.
im not to much up to date with the renault incident, but if it comes out that it is true i hope FIA throw everything they've got at them.
good news about the last 2
thanks dude.
LOL.
Even after the budget cut (believed to be by around 33%), Toyota will still enjoy one of the biggest budgets ever seen in F1.
The shocking thing is that although they spend so much money, they continue to get poor results. If I was top boss there, I wouldn't pull out of F1, but I would certainly demand better results or instigate a major shake up, to ensure better results.
Toyota really do need a top line driver to focus all their efforts on. The problem being that with the way the current Toyota team is run, which top line driver would want to goto Toyota, given the team's poor record, with so many resources?
At what point will Toyota either pull out of F1 or seriously shake-up their F1 team to revitalise a team that is treading water?
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Why on earth not?
I can't see that Toyota are getting much kudos for being in F1 and yet they do seem to be doing better than many motor manufacturers in terms of sales. For the life of me, I can't see what benefit they get out of their involvement in F1.
Haven't they done that already several times? Even with probably the second quickest car in the opening races, they couldn't grasp a win and dropped off the pace after 3-4 races.
Completely agreed. Toyota doesn't actually make any performance/sporty cars anymore so I don't understand why they still bother with the expense of F1. In fact they have arguably the blandest current car range out of all the major manufacturers - I doubt your average diesel Avensis punter cares how well Toyota do in F1.
They've been average for far too long now and don't show signs of improvement anytime soon. The team doesn't really gain anything from being in F1, and conversely, they don't really add anything to the sport either IMO.
Soldato
Toyota as a brand/F1 team don't add anything to the sport. But as a team they add two cars to the grid. I'd hate to see them leave and F1 lose two cars from the grid. If they stay then fine, if they leave then hopefully they'd be a bit more Honda than BMW and make sure the team gets taken over by a capable management team.
Improvement?! Ha, Toyota are the world's number one car company in the world, in no small part because they have better judged the world market than other manufactures. Making inefficient sports cars like they used to just isn't as profitable as it used to be.
Soldato
Thought he meant average as an F1 team not as a global car maker.
Maybe a "secret" - but hardly industrial espionage, apart from anything else it doesnt hurt Renault (Im sure they already knew the moment pen went to paper if not before ), it benefits Ferrari (being able to plan ahead) - and only benefits everyone else in the pitlane by knowing this is going to happen.
Its completely different to a "third foot pedal", a different compound for the breaks, double / triple diffuser etc imo where ideas / knowledge is being stolen and therefore investment in time and money is lost
edit - in regards to Toyota, I wouldnt be that surprised that if the F1 team develops 1 idea every few years that can be used on road cars in the future, the sheer number of cars Toyota sell could fund the race team (at least with their new scaled down budget) - if you think how much R & D costs, a more efficient braking system or spark plugs that are more efficient / run for longer may be vastly expensive now but in 2 or 3 years could easily be put in every single model of car Toyota sell...therefore saving money in the long run (or at least not losing money)
ok admittedly the ideas where pretty terrible - no wonder I dont work for the motor industry in r & d lol - but the theory could work given the sheer quantity of cars Toyota sell (and it wouldnt work for any other companies in the same way)
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Unfortunately, I am not in possession of top secret data from any of the F1 teams, hence, I am unable to give you specifics of current industrial esponionage.
The example, of secrets I stated in my post are just that...examples. The exposure of some secrets can have a devastating effect on teams. Other secrets may not have any effect at all.
I still stand by my original statement that industrial espionage in F1, is part of the way F1 works. What happened at McLaren, Ferrari and Bennetton is not out of the ordinary. Unless of course you are really naive and believe that all teams have morals and would shut their eyes if opposition team data were to fall into their hands.