Speaker cables?!?

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I'm no audiophile, but I need new speaker cables for both my TV setup (5.1 satellites) and turntable setup. Is it really worth paying £5-10pm from somewhere like Richer Sounds over a fairly bog standard reel from Amazon?
 
I'm no audiophile, but I need new speaker cables for both my TV setup (5.1 satellites) and turntable setup. Is it really worth paying £5-10pm from somewhere like Richer Sounds over a fairly bog standard reel from Amazon?

Used completely bog standard stuff for my setup - even used 'terminal blocks' to do some ghetto extensions :D Works perfectly fine for me, and the sound is amazing - nt sure I'd be able to discern between what I have now, and more expensive cabling.

Edit: only a 5.1 system.
 
Having recently paid a lot, lot more £/metre for high quality speaker cable to go with my new amp/speakers, I honestly can't say I can hear/tell the difference compared to the kabledirekt cabling I had before.

I don't remember the sales blurb, but I could 'understand' why it should be better quality cable, but... well meh. I think it largely falls into the diminishing returns category, however I'd just spent a fair bit on equipment and it seemed strange to scrimp on cable. Won't bother next time.
 
If you've got a fabulously expensive setup, it's probably worth it for psychological reasons alone. For most mere mortals a good quality, thick 100% oxygen free copper cable from the rainforest will do just fine. I had QED silver anniversary cable for my setup for ages and have just buried a load of generic copper stuff in the walls instead. There might well be an audible difference, but the lack of clutter and the enhanced viewing and listening position with the new room setup makes up for it and more!
 
Broadly anything of reasonable quality should be about the same - at the cheap end it will drop off a cliff if the cables use poor quality or low gauge wire and/or very poor quality dielectric.
 
Bog standard copper cable is fine (as long as it isn't ridiculously thin), this is just one of many areas where thanks to myths perpetuated by hi-fi stores and magazines a fool and his money are soon parted.
 
Bog standard copper cable is fine (as long as it isn't ridiculously thin), this is just one of many areas where thanks to myths perpetuated by hi-fi stores and magazines a fool and his money are soon parted.

i believe the longer the run then thickness or going silver becomes more important. for standard lengths 100% copper is fine enough.

there has been tests done on avforums which show the difference. based on that i went with some cable off amazon was like £20-£40 for 100m. i used it on a 5.1 system and a 2.0 system.
 
i believe the longer the run then thickness or going silver becomes more important. for standard lengths 100% copper is fine enough.

there has been tests done on avforums which show the difference. based on that i went with some cable off amazon was like £20-£40 for 100m. i used it on a 5.1 system and a 2.0 system.
The tests show that inadequate cable reduces sound quality, but it doesn’t show that “better” magic speaker cables enhance audio quality. If the gauge is sufficient, then that’s the best you’ll get.
 
For most people buying cable, all that's required is to follow three simple rules.

1. Buy decent quality materials. In this case, it means 100% copper; oxygen free if you like, it doesn't make a huge difference to the cost

2. Get advice on the appropriate thickness for the cable length

3. Stick with a multi-strand cable, somewhere between 30 and 80 strands should work fine


The stuff to avoid is anything where you see it described as CCA or CCS. The abbreviations stand for Copper Coated Aluminium and Copper Coated Steel. It's a favourite trick of unscrupulous sellers. The product looks like copper from the outside, but that's only a very thin anodised layer. The price seems attractive, but in reality you're buying a poor quality substitute. The bulk of your speaker's current is being carried by something that isn't copper.

Also, pass on anything with hundreds of filaments. It's more lossy.

Some will recommend solid core wire - usually mains cable - for speaker duties. I ran it when it came in to fashion in the 80s. It sort of made sense then because copper mains cable was relatively cheap compared to even basic speaker cable. There just weren't that many companies making speaker cable to drive the costs down. That's not the situation any longer. At entry-level pricing, an all-copper speaker cable is competitively priced enough that struggling with stiff and ugly mains cable is a bit of a masochistic choice.


The job that speaker cable has to do is to carry current with the minimum amount of loss, and not to do anything to change the sound in a noticeable way. The current is the energy used in turning an electrical signal in to sound. We all know a little bit about energy conservation. When it comes to speaker cable, longer wires build up more resistance, but thicker conductors reduce the resistance. That means with any speaker cable requirement, there's a sweet spot where the thickness and cost justifies the power saved compared to buying a more powerful (and more expensive) amp.

Standard thicknesses for speaker cable are 1.0mm, 1.5, 2.5, and 4.0mm. If we take a 50W amplifier rated for an 8 Ohm load, and match that with an 8 Ohm speaker of reasonable efficiency (87-90dB/W/m), then compare the power losses for a 30m cable run, and then for a 15m run, we get

50W @ 30m
1.0mm - 21% loss (to 39.5W)
1.5mm - 14% loss (to 43.0W)
2.5mm - 9% loss (to 45.5W)
4.0mm - 6% loss (to 47.0W)

50W @ 15m
1.0mm - 11% loss (to 44.3W)
1.5mm - 7% loss (to 46.3W)
2.5mm - 5% loss (to 47.5W)
4.0mm - 3% loss (to 48.5W)

Once you start to see the effect of thickness versus distance then it's easier to work out what to spend on.

At the longer distance, the 1.0mm cable throws away a 1/5th of the amplifier power. Upgrading to a 2.5mm cable more than halves the losses. That's a worthwhile gain. A 4.0mm cable is overkill at this distance.

At a shorter distance of 15m the cable doesn't need to be as thick. The 1.0mm cable still loses the most, but now the loss is roughly half of what it was at 30m. That's because the losses are proportional to the length: Halve the distance to halve the loss. Double the distance to double the loss.

For a 15m run, there's a worthwhile reduction in the power loss going for a 1.5mm cable, but it's less significant on the thicker lengths. 1.5mm will do fine. The extra cost of a 2.5mm cable isn't worth it over the 1.5mm.
 
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Ahhhh the age old debate of speaker cables. For many years I used a set of freebie speaker cables that a person gave me. So I slung it in my pc listening setup. It was from Chord company. Sit in my drawer now as I have long since sold my pc listening setup. Perfectly fine for my uses.

For my main listening setup, for as long as I have had a hi fi it has always had Nordost cabling of some sort.
 
One thing I would recommend is flat cable it's a godsend for hiding under carpet etc. Especially when you have a missus that doesnt like cabling and can't understand why you need better speakers! ;)
 
Varkanoid>But that's more of an convienence/looks thing more than anything. Having used Nordost for close to 20 years I find it a pain in the ass. And all their range is flat.
 
I bought something like 50m of "cheap" 2x6mm² cable from the bay, along with some bananas. I use that for my fronts, Kef Q600 and 900s.
I need to get around to making up some lengths for my rears but I doubt I will notice any effect over the bog cheap stuff that is feeding them at the moment.

In my mind, the idea is to make the gap between the amplifier output and the speakers terminals as short as electrically possible. That said though, and I get that the Q900 isn't the most prestigious speaker, but when I replaced a dented ABR, the cabling inside the of the cabinets is supprisingly "thin".

Jase.
 
Been happy with QED Micro, running something like 40m worth in the cinema room and it has proved easy to work with and hide / fish under the staging / carpet / ceiling / micro trunking.
 
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