SPEC ME A CASE

WJA96 said:
Is that good or bad?

Isn't smoke supposed to be bad for HDD?
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turbulence is bad as it indicates disrupted airflow which can lead to hot spots in the case.

...and smoke isn't very good for anything, but a few puffs in there to see the airflow isn't going to harm anything. Not like I attached the front of the case to a water bong or something hehe
 
lol, so let me get this staight, for my price rsange of £50-£80 what is the best case, an antec 900 or the other ones u were all talking about????


ps, theoretically i hope u say the pc7 is best mainly cuz its cheaper :cool:
 
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FrostedNipple said:
lol, so let me get this staight, for my price rsange of £50-£80 what is the best case, an antec 900 or the other ones u were all talking about????


ps, theoretically i hope u say the pc7 is best mainly cuz its cheaper :cool:
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I genuinely couldn't recommend the Antec. PC7+ SE II is your best bet I reckon.
 
Yewen said:
How can you say that?

Settles it, getting one and comparing it to the PC7+II and the Savrow SR71.

It can not have the best cooling period, due to the way it uses lots of fans and no focused airflow.

If you can provide some proof to the claim that is credable then I would accept it, but just saying that without anything to back yourself up with is not really good practice.

Savrow SR71 with its hundreds of users has the lowest temperatures across computers probably for the decade consistantly, a case with more than two fans beating it to me is uncomprehendable without proof to dispute the last seven years of one chassis dominance for cooling. :)

There are specialist cases that can cool one particular system the best possible. No case can have the best cooling for every system; each will have its strengths and weaknesses but never be the best cooling across the board.

The best cases cool everything well, but nothing poorly.
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What a nice way to put the lad off the case :o :eek:
 
gurusan said:
but on what basis?
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On the basis that it is a very ordinary steel case with a load of fans in it.

We got one in on demo at work and we were thoroughly unimpressed by it. It's a lot of money for a very cheaply made case. Most of the recent Antec's have been big on marketing features and small on useful attributes. They are a shadow of the cases that made Antec's reputation - cases like the Sonata. It's the same price as the 900, but it comes with a high quality power supply and it's genuinely a quiet case.

The PC7+ SE II is the best case in that price range. It's a classic. If the OP gets one of those and decides he/she doesn't like it, then they will easily be able to sell it on at a very small loss. Try that with an Antec or Thermaltake case.

If you need drive stealthing covers, they are available. 3.5" drive bay convertors to match your case? Lian Li make those too. Want a hard drive stacking system that will put 3 HDD in 2 Bays or 4 HDD in 3 Bays? Lian Li make them too. Everything matches, so the parts you buy will even do if you upgrade the case.

I know you have a 900, and I know you thinks it's great, but I think there is better. It may be conservative, but the PC7+ SE II is the best case in that price range. Go up another £20 and I'd be recommending the Eclipse. Allow me another £25 again and I'd be recommending the V1000+ II.

There is a reason why these cases are recommended time and time again. They're the great cases at the moment. These are the cases that are never offered at a discount because they sell consistently at retail. They are the cases you will never regret buying because they work. They all have their weak points, but by and large, they are the best overall cases at their respective price points.

That's my opinion and I'll defend it, I'll also defend your right to challenge my opinion (I'm not always right) and I'll defend your right to not agree with me and to recommend the 900 if you think that's better. I think that's a reasonable position.
 
gurusan said:
Also I have no experience with the Lian Li PC7 but from the pictures it looks like the Antec does have slightly better cooling.
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We all thought from the pictures that the Stacker 830 should have super cooling. It's pants.

gurusan said:
And no the Antec doesn't focus airflow...it simply sucks it in front and dumps it out of the bottom, middle, and top of the case with a 200mm fan so there aren't any hot spots.
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Again, you can't know that because the only temperature indicators you have quoted are the motherboard (there is no real case sensor on most systems) and the CPU (notoriously unreliable). The other thing I would take issue with is that look like you are making recommendations about cooling a massively overclocked P4 805 system based on your experience with an AMD processor (from your sig). The 805 is the second worst Intel chip (820 is the worst) for heat output. An overclocked 805 tends to have a high Northbridge, PWM and socket temperatures because of the way the motherboards are designed so you really do need to cool the whole system, not just the CPU. An overclocked 805 system is probably the toughest cooling challenge any case will ever face. 100% load CPU temperatures of 80C are not unknown, 85C for the Northbridge and the PWM can go over 100C on some ASUS and Abit boards. In my experience the Akasa Eclipse is the king when it comes to cooling. Yewen calls it a SavRow SR-71 Blackbird, but the one you can buy now is the same case renamed the Eclipse.

I love them. I have 4. They are well made, easy to work on, huge internally and big on useful features. It genuinely makes the 900 like a very poor case indeed. Enjoy the 900, but I bet the next case you get will be one of the classics from Akasa or Lian Li. ;)
 
See this is the problem, Im like I'll get this case then someone posts something negative about the case, im confused tbh, I need a case but it has to be to my liking their are cases that I like but people tell me this and that, others tell me different, this forum tells me different the reviews tell me different.

:confused: :confused:
 
There's always going to be favoritism. I don't think much of Eclipse or LL PC+ designs (only the bigger ones with HD bays at the bottom but then they're really expensive) at least the LL PC 7+ is pretty cheap but the Eclipse isn't that cheap and it doesn't seem that great. I like my Stacker.
 
squiffy said:
There's always going to be favoritism. I don't think much of Eclipse or LL PC+ designs (only the bigger ones with HD bays at the bottom but then they're really expensive) at least the LL PC 7+ is pretty cheap but the Eclipse isn't that cheap and it doesn't seem that great. I like my Stacker.
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Yeah but its like I ask for oppinions on say the Lian Li PC7 people say its great then someone else said the harddrive cage holder is flimsy etc.
 
Every case has its strong and weak points.

PC7+ is weak when it comes to hard drives, Eclipse on the front panel being plastic and no included fans (not a bad for me).

It depends entirely on what you want from a case, all the major brands cases are up to cooling a normal system at stable levels, Eclipse gets silly low temperatures at next to no noise as does the PC7+.

If your after some bling then the Thermaltake Armour is a good one to go for, it does the whole big gaming case very well for the majority of systems. The 900 as far as I can tell is a hype machine, I have not used a system in one yet however but no user I have spoken to has been able to provide anything to say it cools better than a stacker 830. :(

Lots of potential, with the right system no doubt it could be the best case possible. For the majority of systems however the mass fan cooling is not the best way to go without killing your ears.

120 in, 120 out at the moment. Once a larger fan standard is out with after market fans then that will probably change to the new size for better CFM : db.

No case is perfect, overall though the best value for money you can get out of a case is the PC7+, you have to spend the big money (£180+) to get the best of everything, even then no case is perfect.

PC7+ is the best case overall under £100, it gives you a taste of the £200 cases for £55 which is fantastic, yes the hard drive cage is not the best one Lian Li have made but it certainly works.

http://www.yewen.co.uk/overclockers/pc7/
 
ok ive desided to go with the LL PC7+, is there any difference between black and silver, other than black cost £1 more, im also getting a samsung sata dvd-rw that is also black, so i will be getting black unless there is sum drastic reason why i shoudnt ???
 
i dont mind if i can see the drive, cuz its black and the case is black, i was just checking tht there wasn for some strange reason something better about the silver one
 
Good choice, I'm expecting huge temp drops from that thing you got your rig in now lol. Now you can get that 805 up to at least 3.8ghz and spank PG's system.

Jonny
 
There is no difference between the Black and the Silver cases, just one is black the other isn't.

Actualy that's a lie...black is much better, after all it is black :D

InvG
 
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