Spec me a CCTV System

WJA96 · 5 Jun 2022 at 16:16

UberTiger said:
Ordered a PTZ the other day, looking forward to see what it can pick up using the auto tracking and to cover my car when parked on the street. Pretty sure there's a lot of car door checking thieves around this neck of the woods. Already been done by them once a while back when I must have forgotten to lock up properly. A couple of neighbours have had their cat-converters chopped off too. So will be nice to have some half decent street coverage.

SD5A425XA-HNR

SD5A425XA-HNR

www.dahuasecurity.com

Best thing to do is to set up checkpoints and then link those checkpoints to your other Dahua cameras. Once a specific static camera has an motion detection/IVS event that then triggers the linked PTZ to look at that checkpoint.

Also set the auto tracking to restart every 10s or so, otherwise when someone stands next to your car for longer than 10 seconds the auto tracking will lose interest and stop tracking.

That model specifically is an interesting choice of camera. Did you consider the PTZ TiOC? It looks a bit like a child’s toy but it‘s a really good PTZ.

UberTiger · 5 Jun 2022 at 19:08

Thanks for the tips @WJA96

Main reason for going for that model was the sensor size. It seems to be the one with the largest sensor for a 4MP Cam at 1/1.8" (without spending over £1k), so hopefully it'll have decent night time performance when combined with streetlamps compared to the 1/2.8" Tioc

I have been told that it's got pretty good built in auto tracking too, which was the other thing I was after.

Third reason was that it's second hand, so saved a little bit there too.

I also like the compact understated look of this one, some of the high end PTZ's are monsters and look a bit too intimidating in a residential environment.

ChrisD. · 7 Jun 2022 at 06:30

I think I’ll be selling my Ring doorbell camera with their price rises.

Any suggestions for an alternative? I’ve looked at Eufy so far and they look good although not compatible with Apple HomeKit. I would like decent IQ and a cloud or NAS storage backup though.

b0rn2sk8 · 7 Jun 2022 at 09:53

I use the Ubiquiti door bell, records locally and the notifications are fast. No subscriptions.

The downsides are the price and it’s a pain in the behind to get working with chimes. It’s designed for the US who have 16-24v door beeps and ours are typically 8. Fortunately I was able to find a 16v chime to use.

Avalon · 7 Jun 2022 at 12:22

ChrisD. said:
I think I’ll be selling my Ring doorbell camera with their price rises.

Any suggestions for an alternative? I’ve looked at Eufy so far and they look good although not compatible with Apple HomeKit. I would like decent IQ and a cloud or NAS storage backup though.

The issue is anything using an app or cloud storage means you are tied to the OEM's support lifecycle, as well as them staying in business and paying for cloud services to keep running. The history of smart devices is littered with examples where this has ended badly. Ring still support it's original 2014 first gen products 8 years later. You get NVR functionality and a reasonable app for £34.99/yr from next month, that's £2.91/month. Looking past the sensationalism of 40%!!!!111 increase, you don't pay for things or get paid in percentage points, you pay them in pounds, if that extra 83p a month is significantly important to you either financially or morally then feel free to change, for most people it's insignificant and not unexpected.

SizEzE · 14 Jun 2022 at 12:31

Hi, Hoping that someone can point me in the right direction and see if there is something on the market that will fulfil my criteria, either in part or hopefully fully.

Camera quality is paramount.
Unobtrusive (Appreciate its an deterrent, but needs to be Wife friendly)
Storage can either be onsite or cloud.
Have an iMac/Raspberry Pi's in the home, with wired CAT6 and Unifi networking to facilitate the products.
Can install it myself, happy to route ethernet through the cavities, although already have ethernet to the loft space.
Would like to be able to view Cameras on iMac/TV/iPad/Phones if possible.

Thinking a two Camera system may work? Although happy to have more. Both neighbouring properties are open, so will need a camera to the rear of the property too. My house did look like this many years ago. Hedge now fully grown, porch different and pitched roof over the garages in process.

Many thanks

pinkpound · 14 Jun 2022 at 21:12

SizEzE said:
Hi, Hoping that someone can point me in the right direction and see if there is something on the market that will fulfil my criteria, either in part or hopefully fully.

Camera quality is paramount.
Unobtrusive (Appreciate its an deterrent, but needs to be Wife friendly)
Storage can either be onsite or cloud.
Have an iMac/Raspberry Pi's in the home, with wired CAT6 and Unifi networking to facilitate the products.
Can install it myself, happy to route ethernet through the cavities, although already have ethernet to the loft space.
Would like to be able to view Cameras on iMac/TV/iPad/Phones if possible.

Thinking a two Camera system may work? Although happy to have more. Both neighbouring properties are open, so will need a camera to the rear of the property too. My house did look like this many years ago. Hedge now fully grown, porch different and pitched roof over the garages in process.

Many thanks

I just bought and fitted pair of Hikvision DS-2CD2387G2-LU 8MP 4mm to the front and a DS-7608I-I2-8P NVR with a 4TB HDD .

The camera's have led floodlights which I've disabled due to not needing even on the lowest settings , the image is full colur at midnight (I have an led street light on the border of my property).

This is coming from an old DVR and 1080P cameras the different is amazing just a heads up they are huge in comparison to the old cams.

Next week I'm fitting the 4MP version to the rear of the house were the led lights will come in hand for intrusions .

Avalon · 15 Jun 2022 at 11:24

pinkpound said:
I just bought and fitted pair of Hikvision DS-2CD2387G2-LU 8MP 4mm to the front and a DS-7608I-I2-8P NVR with a 4TB HDD .

The camera's have led floodlights which I've disabled due to not needing even on the lowest settings , the image is full colur at midnight (I have an led street light on the border of my property).

This is coming from an old DVR and 1080P cameras the different is amazing just a heads up they are huge in comparison to the old cams.

Next week I'm fitting the 4MP version to the rear of the house were the led lights will come in hand for intrusions .

The LED's are a double edged sword, the first thing that tends to happen is when a light comes on is you look at it which is great for a CCTV camera, the problem is with the flashing LED, the sensor doesn't react quickly enough and it tends to give a poorer quality picture, so some experimentation is required to get a usable result. Like you, I found disabling the LED's on ColorVu gave the best results down to almost pitch black conditions. I have G1 and G2 4mp ColorVu's along with some 6mp DarkFighters, each has it's own strengths and weaknesses.

nam · 4 Jul 2022 at 18:49

with today's news how long before they are both unavailable in the UK

Chinese CCTV firms

UberTiger · 4 Jul 2022 at 20:23

Look at all the cams spying on your local high street. Probably all Hik or Dahua. It sounds like reactive MP bluster because they're Chinese companies without realising how much the government already uses their kit.

What are the alternatives that they'll switch to? Because they're not going to stop investing in CCTV, that's for sure.

RedMogg · 6 Jul 2022 at 09:48

Would appreciate some advice.
I currently have three Reolink RLC-520-5MP covering front, EOT side & garden. I reused the NVR/DVR from our old Foscam WiFi system in the old flat, adding a separate POE switch to do so.
The Foscam DVR has started to fail and I'm looking for a replacement NVR, either 4 or 8ch, with up to 4K/8MP capability. I'm intending to replace the rear/garden camera with a 4K PTZ, to cover the angles missed by the current 2.8mm cam.

We've also got the Ezviz (Hikvision domestic brand) Doorbell & chime which works very well, so I'm happy to look at the Hikvision/Hilook NVRs.

My question is, on the NVR-104MH-C/4P(B) spec list it states "up to 1ch @ 8MP or 5ch @ 1080p decoding capacity".
Does that mean it will only display 1× 4k camera at a time (or 5× 2MP/1080p), or it literally only records one 4K camera feed?

I'm pretty sure it's the former, but if it's the latter, I need to look at another NVR with capacity for up to 4× 8MP cameras.

Many thanks

Armageus · 6 Jul 2022 at 09:52

RedMogg said:
Would appreciate some advice.
I currently have three Reolink RLC-520-5MP covering front, EOT side & garden. I reused the NVR/DVR from our old Foscam WiFi system in the old flat, adding a separate POE switch to do so.
The Foscam DVR has started to fail and I'm looking for a replacement NVR, either 4 or 8ch, with up to 4K/8MP capability. I'm intending to replace the rear/garden camera with a 4K PTZ, to cover the angles missed by the current 2.8mm cam.

We've also got the Ezviz (Hikvision domestic brand) Doorbell & chime which works very well, so I'm happy to look at the Hikvision/Hilook NVRs.

My question is, on the NVR-104MH-C/4P(B) spec list it states "up to 1ch @ 8MP or 5ch @ 1080p decoding capacity".
Does that mean it will only display 1× 4k camera at a time (or 5× 2MP/1080p), or it literally only records one 4K camera feed?

I'm pretty sure it's the former, but if it's the latter, I need to look at another NVR with capacity for up to 4× 8MP cameras.

Many thanks

Reading the actual spec sheet here: https://www.hikvision.com/my/produc...-Video-Recorders/Value-NVR/NVR-104MH-C-4P-B-/

I'd say it can only record 4x 1080P camera's or 1x 8MP camera

WJA96 · 6 Jul 2022 at 22:01

You need an NVR with a minimum of 200Mbps incoming bandwidth. And that’s not going to be cheap.

You're looking at a 9-series Hikvision or a 5 or 7 series Dahua recorder.

Can I ask what’s driving the 8MP/4K requirement?

RedMogg · 6 Jul 2022 at 23:22

Armageus said:
Reading the actual spec sheet here: https://www.hikvision.com/my/produc...-Video-Recorders/Value-NVR/NVR-104MH-C-4P-B-/

I'd say it can only record 4x 1080P camera's or 1x 8MP camera

That was my understanding.
Spoke with my old man this afternoon - forgot he used to install alarm & cctv systems many years ago and often moonlight for his mate's install firm. Just ordered a Uniview NVR302-08S-P8 on his advice - the NVR will only live-view one 4k stream, but it'll record up to eight 4k cameras fine (with a beefy enough HDD).

WJA96 said:
You need an NVR with a minimum of 200Mbps incoming bandwidth. And that’s not going to be cheap.

You're looking at a 9-series Hikvision or a 5 or 7 series Dahua recorder.

Can I ask what’s driving the 8MP/4K requirement?

We've had two attempts to break into our garage in the early hours - most recent was whilst I was away in London.

Front camera clearly shows the make & model of the vehicle, and can just about make a partial plate, but police were uninterested without either a "more vigorous attempt" or better footage.

I've added another security light, but if/when they try again, I'd prefer to hand over crystal clear footage over to the plod. I'm spending more time away from home and need to reassure the wife.

What's puzzling is there's nothing really of any value in the garage and I'm sure there's more interesting motors to nick than a 2016 Ford Galaxy - even if it does have the 2 litre Ecoboost & full leather

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pinkpound · 7 Jul 2022 at 10:21

RedMogg said:
That was my understanding.
Spoke with my old man this afternoon - forgot he used to install alarm & cctv systems many years ago and often moonlight for his mate's install firm. Just ordered a Uniview NVR302-08S-P8 on his advice - the NVR will only live-view one 4k stream, but it'll record up to eight 4k cameras fine (with a beefy enough HDD).

We've had two attempts to break into our garage in the early hours - most recent was whilst I was away in London.

Front camera clearly shows the make & model of the vehicle, and can just about make a partial plate, but police were uninterested without either a "more vigorous attempt" or better footage.

I've added another security light, but if/when they try again, I'd prefer to hand over crystal clear footage over to the plod. I'm spending more time away from home and need to reassure the wife.

What's puzzling is there's nothing really of any value in the garage and I'm sure there's more interesting motors to nick than a 2016 Ford Galaxy - even if it does have the 2 litre Ecoboost & full leather ...

I recently bought and installed a DS-7608NI and pair of 8MP DS-2CD2387G2-LU (for now) , great pictire quality and at night it's like it is daytime without the leds even been used .

DS-7608NI-I2/8P

Hikvision DS-7608NI-I2/8P 8-ch 1U 8 PoE 4K NVR

www.hikvision.com

flibbage0 · 7 Jul 2022 at 16:20

Does anyone know how to make the Hikvision DVR accessible via remote access? I can do it from the home Wi-Fi but I'm a bit clueless when it comes to setting it up, do I need a server or can I use HIK-Connect?

pinkpound · 7 Jul 2022 at 16:50

flibbage0 said:
Does anyone know how to make the Hikvision DVR accessible via remote access? I can do it from the home Wi-Fi but I'm a bit clueless when it comes to setting it up, do I need a server or can I use HIK-Connect?

Hik-connect just check under the DVR its enabled

stuartam · 12 Jul 2022 at 22:11

Can you mount a turret cam like the DS-2CD2387G2-LU vertically on a wall and rotate the camera so it’s horizontal?

forgive the rookie question…

WJA96 · 12 Jul 2022 at 22:26

stuartam · 13 Jul 2022 at 07:15

WJA96 said:
Yes.

Thanks, I’m guessing we can’t discuss wher best to purchase cameras from…

Spec me a CCTV System

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