Spec me a waterproof jacket / coat
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He'll be wearing it for something like five minutes of downpour and then hanging it up to dry. £200 better spent on something else IMO!That one does look cheap af to be fair
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Berghaus
Bought a `mountain`type/quality over 30 years ago,bit outdated but still mostly going strong
tie bobbles have just the other week rotted and seam tapes have started to peel.Can replace those when i get in the mood
But for 30+years it is good value
Bought a `mountain`type/quality over 30 years ago,bit outdated but still mostly going strong
tie bobbles have just the other week rotted and seam tapes have started to peel.Can replace those when i get in the mood
But for 30+years it is good value
Had my Berghaus for 20 odd years and it's been great. Only recently sent it into them to get it repaired for free. When it's beyond repair I'll send it back to them and use a 30% discount on something new
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While you stated a budget, you should also consider the lifetime of the product and the long term value. I have an Arteryx jacket that is about 15 years old now and still absolutely bomber and I would trust it with my life in a white out up Mont Blanc etc. Repairs are free . Buy cheap, buy twice and all that.
I was looking for a lightweight waterproof jacket as well, to replace a Berghaus Deluge but coming to the conclusion I’ll just get same again.
It has been a good solid jacket, but just looks rather worn and scruffy now.
Still not convinced what some of the high end makes actually add to the equation?
It has been a good solid jacket, but just looks rather worn and scruffy now.
Still not convinced what some of the high end makes actually add to the equation?
Well, even if you take something advertised as Goretex, there are many different types of Goretex with different properties and price points. More waterproof, more breathable and longer lasting Goretex liners will always cost substantial more.
And then for the same Goretex material, it is all the details. Cheap jackets have poor seams that leak or degrade over time. Zips in particular can be poorly made. It is also the cut and design that are optimized for specific uses. For example my mountaineer jackets have large hoods to accommodate helmets, but are not too long at the waste to access a climbing harness. While the ski jackets have a longer waste with skirt to stop snow, and have a wider fit to accomodate a larger down insulating layer.
The designs are well optimized, so weight and packed volume are smaller.
And then there is just quality of craftsmanship. High end jackets last 10-20 years, will have repair for free warranties etc.
Not that the cheap jackets are all terrible, but there are clear differences and the cost of ownership over the lifetime of the jacket given the benefits can mean it is worth paying
Fair point and I see there are more advanced jackets, for want of a better word, for certain activities.
Take these two though, how would you sell me the one that costs £200 more than the other?
Admittedly I am looking for a general lightweight waterproof for spring/summer British weather and not sports, but to me they both seem pretty much the same.
Not trying to argue, just understand why I would buy the higher priced one.
My Berghaus is about 15 yrs old so has lasted well, and still ‘works’, just scruffy for work use, but I think that would be the case for any 15 yr old jacket.
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Take these two though, how would you sell me the one that costs £200 more than the other?
Admittedly I am looking for a general lightweight waterproof for spring/summer British weather and not sports, but to me they both seem pretty much the same.
Not trying to argue, just understand why I would buy the higher priced one.
My Berghaus is about 15 yrs old so has lasted well, and still ‘works’, just scruffy for work use, but I think that would be the case for any 15 yr old jacket.
Men's Deluge Pro 2.0 Jacket - Black
Buy Men's Deluge Pro 2.0 Jacket - Black online with Berghaus
www.berghaus.com
Fair point and I see there are more advanced jackets, for want of a better word, for certain activities.
Take these two though, how would you sell me the one that costs £200 more than the other?
Admittedly I am looking for a general lightweight waterproof for spring/summer British weather and not sports, but to me they both seem pretty much the same.
Not trying to argue, just understand why I would buy the higher priced one.
My Berghaus is about 15 yrs old so has lasted well, and still ‘works’, just scruffy for work use, but I think that would be the case for any 15 yr old jacket.
Men's Deluge Pro 2.0 Jacket - Black
Buy Men's Deluge Pro 2.0 Jacket - Black online with Berghaus
They're both fashion products, you pick which one you prefer and what badge you like. It's not often you need a proper waterproof when walking around town. I highly doubt your notice the difference between the two for the use it's intended (walking about the shops, or to the pub).
I spend a lot of time in the mountains and have a cheaper jacket than both, that has kept me dry in some very torrential rain pours. I'll even choose to take the cheaper one over my very expensive mountain equipment.
Though most of the time I prefer a poncho!
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Better when you get caught in a white out on the way to work
I went with this Berghaus one: https://www.berghaus.com/men-s-paclite-peak-vented-jacket-grey-black/13145372.html
Ordered it about 7pm last night and received already today
. Looks like it should pack down nicely in my work bag as it's more of a 'shell' than anything. It also offers the bum protection I wanted.
Ordered it about 7pm last night and received already today
. Looks like it should pack down nicely in my work bag as it's more of a 'shell' than anything. It also offers the bum protection I wanted.The difference between a cheap lightweight waterproof and a high-end technical one is the fabrics and functionality.
If you just need a waterproof layer to throw on and keep the a shower off while commuting for short periods, then any cheap plastic thing will do.
For serious use in the mountains, you need something that keeps heavy storm-driven horizontal rain out for extended periods of time, this is where all the details like the seam construction and zip placements and quality comes into the equation. A lightweight jacket will just wet out and leak through the zips and seams in no time. Even high quality gear will eventually wet out given persisten torrential rain.
The other main difference is that high-end fabrics let moisture OUT while keeping the rain out as well. When you're scaling mountains you're working really hard and generating lots of sweat, it's also usually cold, so all your sweat condenses on the inside of the jacket and you end up soaked inside the jacket. 3 layer GoreTex Pro is pretty much the standard here, I have a Mountain Equipment Lhotse which has kept me dry in some filthy conditions (including 87mph horizontal rain!).
Paramo is a bit different in that it uses multiple layers of fabric and relies on the heat generated by your body to pump moisture out. Not a fan of it personally but some people like it.
TL;DR; - Something like a Berghaus Deluge will be completely fine for keeping showers off on a commute. More serious weather and environments need more serious kit.