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Omaeka

Omaeka

Omaeka

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Been running a 3570k for what feels like a billion years, power supply is 6 years old and the usb ports at the front of the tower are dodgy. Looking for an i5 or i7 latest bang for buck machine, no AMD cpus please gents :) Looking for 32GB DDR4 too. Or whatever the latest ram is now.

Already have a GTX 1070 and 1TB of SSDs I'll transfer from my old machine, have Windows 10 on the SSDs too. So apart from these 3, all brand spanking! Budget is up to £1,500 but I'm not looking for the absolute best, the modern day latest equivalent to a 3570k or an entry level top end i7 would be fine.

Cheers!
 
I think i7-8700 or i7-8700k is the minimum CPU you should go for, also remember that if you change motherboard your Windows 10 will deactivate requiring you to buy a new product key.

EDIT: But I believe there is a way to transfer your Windows installation to new hardware by linking it to your Microsoft account, I have never done it but google it, could save you money on a new product key.
 
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nlel1975 said:
I think i7-8700 or i7-8700k is the minimum CPU you should go for, also remember that if you change motherboard your Windows 10 will deactivate requiring you to buy a new product key.

EDIT: But I believe there is a way to transfer your Windows installation to new hardware by linking it to your Microsoft account, I have never done it but google it, could save you money on a new product key.
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New key is only 20£, but I do have it linked to my hotmail though.

The 8700k is a monster wow, but do you know how much more powerful it is over a 8600k i5?
 
Omaeka said:
New key is only 20£, but I do have it linked to my hotmail though.

The 8700k is a monster wow, but do you know how much more powerful it is over a 8600k i5?
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Depends what you want to do with it, in most games they have fairly similar performance, maybe 5%, in multithreaded work loads it can be significantly faster upto about 50%.
 
Thanks to DRAM chip maker cartel over doubling prices from that of couple years ago, 32GB is excessively priced for not really being useful in gaming.

And now you can't count on CPU staying equally good for as long:
Your Ivy Bridge CPU came out when Intel's CPU architecture development started stalling.
And Intel focusing on milking buyers with toothpaste under heatspreader...
After that only Haswell and Skylake have brought (small) architectural improvements.
Since Skylake only improvements have come from tweaking up clock speeds and on multithreaded performance.

But PSU and case are ones which retain their value.
Six years really wouldn't be that much for high quality PSU.
And myself have decade old case I'm not planning on replacing.

So are you after purely functional case, or flashy look with window and RGB etc?


Omaeka said:
New key is only 20£, but I do have it linked to my hotmail though.
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Account linking makes no difference if license is OEM.
Change of motherboard requires new activation and it's up to MS if they allow it.
 
EsaT said:
Thanks to DRAM chip maker cartel over doubling prices from that of couple years ago, 32GB is excessively priced for not really being useful in gaming.

And now you can't count on CPU staying equally good for as long:
Your Ivy Bridge CPU came out when Intel's CPU architecture development started stalling.
And Intel focusing on milking buyers with toothpaste under heatspreader...
After that only Haswell and Skylake have brought (small) architectural improvements.
Since Skylake only improvements have come from tweaking up clock speeds and on multithreaded performance.

But PSU and case are ones which retain their value.
Six years really wouldn't be that much for high quality PSU.
And myself have decade old case I'm not planning on replacing.

So are you after purely functional case, or flashy look with window and RGB etc?


Account linking makes no difference if license is OEM.
Change of motherboard requires new activation and it's up to MS if they allow it.
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Damn, thing is I noticed an actual performance increase with ARK: Survival Evolved (my most played game by a country mile) going from 16GB to 32GB of RAM. Granted ARK is a unique beast for when it comes to a mixture of being an extremely demanding game regardless ontop of poor optimisation, especially with mods. What kind of price hike has DDR4 seen? If It's an extra 30 quid over what it was a few years ago for the lot I wouldn't mind really. I'm not too clued up on what you're talking about when it comes to the architechture but you mean that a 4770k i7 or a 4570k i5 are the best choices?

For peace of mind I'm looking for a new PSU, I clean my computer's hardware more often than most but there will still be a ton of dust inside the PSU that I'm not remotely confident enough in disassembling and cleaning, and as far as case goes, big and functional. My current case is quite a beefy one yet fitting in my 1070 was an insanely tight squeeze (it's a G1 Gigabyte triple fan one). Thanks :)


StarShock said:
Depends what you want to do with it, in most games they have fairly similar performance, maybe 5%, in multithreaded work loads it can be significantly faster upto about 50%.
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Do you know how much better the 8xxx models are over the 4xxx Haswell? Cheers!

Just noticed there's a new section about upgrades right above general hardware, that wasn't there when I last looked :(
 
Omaeka said:
What kind of price hike has DDR4 seen? If It's an extra 30 quid over what it was a few years ago for the lot I wouldn't mind really.


I'm not too clued up on what you're talking about when it comes to the architechture but you mean that a 4770k i7 or a 4570k i5 are the best choices?

For peace of mind I'm looking for a new PSU, I clean my computer's hardware more often than most but there will still be a ton of dust inside the PSU that I'm not remotely confident enough in disassembling and cleaning, and as far as case goes, big and functional. My current case is quite a beefy one yet fitting in my 1070 was an insanely tight squeeze (it's a G1 Gigabyte triple fan one). Thanks :)
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Price difference is huge.
Page is in Finnish but scrolling down gives graph nicely showing general development of memory price in last couple years:
https://hintaopas.fi/product.php?q=ddr4 3200&p=3382703
In 2013 myself paid 114€ for high end 2x8GB DDR3 kit and now similar level 2x8GB DDR4 kit would cost more like 250€.
If I had any decision some white collar criminals would be facing years of forced labour in Chinese coal mine.:mad:

"4th" gen" Haswell is outdated.
Because of 14nm manufacturing process problems die shrinked "5th" gen Broadwell was skipped on desktop.
Jumping straight to Skylake/"6th gen" in fall 2015.
And since that Intel hasn't changed architecture.
"7th gen" Kaby Lake increased clock speed.
"8th gen" Coffee Lake (as in Coffees on Intel's pants) increased core counts first time in 10 years for Intel's desktop platform CPU, because of Ryzen offering 8 cores in desktop CPU.
"9th gen" will be just another core count increase for top models along with price boost.
When ever those actually come available...

Intel is running short of 14nm manufacturing capacity, because 10nm node which was first planned for end of 2015 is still broken and desktop products of it have been pushed to 2020.
As unbelievable as it sounds, AMD is actually going to have more advanced manufacturing process when they release Zen2 CPUs in late winter.


If there's lots of dust inside PSU that can certainly hinder cooling of critical components for PSU's endurance.
Anyway if case is on floor then room should be cleaned often.
Dust filters can't catch finer dust well, or they restrict airflow notable.
When case is on something higher they can better do their job.

Many cases have now removable HDD cage to give more space for long graphics card.
Again E-ATX cases always have enough room for any graphics card.
But those are usually also full towers and weight lot without even any components in them.
 
Why no AMD? The new Ryzen cpu's are excellent and not far off Intel in gaming. You can get a Ryzen 2600, Gigabyte X370 motherboard, 8Gb of 3000mhz DDR4, Wraith cooler and a free 240Gb SSD for £100 less than a 8700k by itself.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £330.47 (includes shipping: £10.50)
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The top of the range Ryzen 2700x, Asus X370-F Strix motherboard, 16Gb of 3000mhz DDR4, Wraith cooler and a free 480Gb SSD is only £628 delivered.

My basket at Overclockers UK:
Total: £628.46 (includes shipping: £10.50)
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There is no way I would touch Intel at the disgraceful current prices even if I had the money to throw away.
 
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If going Intel, then a good 'bang for buck' option would be the 8600K (6 cores/6 threads). That should do very nicely for now and many of the upcoming games in the future. It sits close behind the 8700K, so unless you need the extra threads for work/software related tasks, then I think the 8600 is the way to go (if you're dead set on going Intel).

I see you already have 32GB of ram so I'm assuming you use your system for additional tasks other than playing games, so AMD would be my consideration there (2600/2700).
 
The 8600k alone is now a ridiculous £330!! You would have to be off your head to pay these disgraceful prices for a Intel cpu and they are still increasing.
 
pastymuncher said:
The 8600k alone is now a ridiculous £330!! You would have to be off your head to pay these disgraceful prices for a Intel cpu and they are still increasing.
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True. I would go AMD, but if he prefers Intel then he will be paying through the nose for just about anything they produce at the mo. The only good thing we can say about the 8600 prices is that it's cheaper than the 8700K. :p :D
 
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