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Last time I ask I hope. Must stop going around the Forums.

Settled on these so far
All for PHOTOSHOP/Video etc......NO GAMING!

Intel i5-3570K 3.40GHz
Gigabyte Z77X-D3H (got already)
Corsair XMS3 16GB (2x8)
MSI HD 6850 OC 1024MB GDDR5 (unless you know different/better in same price bracket)
Gelid Tranquillo cpu Cooler
SSD Samsung 128GB 830 series (got already)
Cooler Master Silent Pro modular 700w psu.......OUT of Stock.
Which one will take it's place---needs at least 8 Sata on it. ???
Tower Case InWin MaNa 137 Midi Tower....Unless you know of better but no higher than £50.
All being bought from OC except what I already got.

PoP In and advise me Please.

Needs to know ASP PLEASE...Thank You
 
Mmmmm! I'm even more Confused now than I was before.
Each time I ask, the components change. :) :(
I know an i7 is better, but it costs more as well. Was told the i5 is just as good seeing as I'm not doing 3D and only doing normal photoshoping.

Was going for a GT640 (that's higher than a GT 430 in it?) but was told it is Rubbish.
I know I need CUDA for photoshop5, So which is slightly better and has both CUDA and openGL/CL for PSCS6,(when I upgrade) that don't go over £100 (if there is one). My eyes are droopy after reading about to many G/C

PSU needs to be Modular Please..

I looked and wrote down the Zalman Z9 last week, so decision is between that and the InWin case (decisions, decisions) :)

Thank You----Dennis
 
Mmmmm! I'm even more Confused now than I was before.
Each time I ask, the components change. :) :(
I know an i7 is better, but it costs more as well. Was told the i5 is just as good seeing as I'm not doing 3D and only doing normal photoshoping.

Was going for a GT640 (that's higher than a GT 430 in it?) but was told it is Rubbish.
I know I need CUDA for photoshop5, So which is slightly better and has both CUDA and openGL/CL for PSCS6,(when I upgrade) that don't go over £100 (if there is one). My eyes are droopy after reading about to many G/C

PSU needs to be Modular Please..

I looked and wrote down the Zalman Z9 last week, so decision is between that and the InWin case (decisions, decisions) :)

Thank You----Dennis

Get i7 or Intel Xeon 1230, Zalman Case is great value for money. Get Nvidia GPU so that you can use CUDA cores. Unless you are overclocking there is no need for 3rd party cooler.
 
Mmmmm! I'm even more Confused now than I was before.
Each time I ask, the components change. :) :(
I know an i7 is better, but it costs more as well. Was told the i5 is just as good seeing as I'm not doing 3D and only doing normal photoshoping.

I think the i5 will be good enough though the i7 will give you extra headroom if you push the amount of work you are doing, though Lazder has a good point. The i7/Xeons extra cores and threads will help with those sort of programs.

Was going for a GT640 (that's higher than a GT 430 in it?) but was told it is Rubbish.
I know I need CUDA for photoshop5, So which is slightly better and has both CUDA and openGL/CL for PSCS6,(when I upgrade) that don't go over £100 (if there is one). My eyes are droopy after reading about to many G/C

The old Droopy eye :)

I think the 640 is actually a good choice. You don't need anything more powerful than that.

PSU needs to be Modular Please..

My apologies. Here is one: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-052-CS&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat=1084

I looked and wrote down the Zalman Z9 last week, so decision is between that and the InWin case (decisions, decisions) :)

I think the Z9 would be best, Has great cooling and comes with 3 fans (i think)
 
YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £179.99
1 x Corsair XMS3 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX16GX3M2A1600C11) £95.99
1 x KFA2 GeForce GT640 2048MB GDDR3 PCI-Express Graphics Card £81.59
1 x OCZ ZT 650W '80 Plus Bronze' Modular Power Supply £69.98
1 x Zalman Z9 Plus Tower Case with Fan Controller - Black £44.99
1 x Cooler Master Hyper 612S CPU Cooler (Socket LGA1366/1156/1155/775/AM3/AM2+/AM2) £32.28
1 x Samsung SH-S222BB/BEBE 22x DVD±RW SATA ReWriter (Black) - OEM £16.99
Total : £535.91 (includes shipping : £11.75).



I have a Z9. It comes with 4 fans (3 blue LED), a fan controller, digital temp display and cable management with an included P4/8 extension lead.

I'd stick with the i5K aswell to be honest. Hyperthreading doesn't really reap a massive advantage to be honest....10% is it? Having 16GB of RAM makes sense, as mentioned having a dual 8GB kit means there is space to add more if required. What OS are you using? win 7 home premium only supports upto 16GB anyway, you need win7 pro/ultimate to use more than 16GB.

Forget about the 1155 Xeon CPU as well. I've had this discussion with Lazder before....OCuk don't even stock it, no one would really buy it. Yes it gives you hyperthreading BUT it has NO IGP. By ommiting the IGP the CPU doesn't support quicksync which is very useful for video encoding, quicksync in this regard is better than cuda ;)

I have used the 2GB 640 GPU here.....why? Well for gaming it isn't great but if you aren't gaming that's not a negative is it? The 640 can drive 3 monitors from the single GPU (older gen nvidia cards cant do this) and it is giving you CUDA support. The cuda cores are linked to the core clock, if you overclock the GPU you will improve CUDA as well (best download MSI afterburner) :)

There is no real right or wrong answer people will balance the budget slightly differently. Offers change so the exact parts we spec can vary from week to week, it depends what is priced best at the time.

Hope this helps
 
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May i say a BIG THANK YOU to you All for being patiant with me and Helping me out..
Appreciated..

honosuseri----You more or less have put down the components That I looked at a few weeks ago..

i5-3570K (it is then)
The i5 I can overclock a bit if I need a bit more oomph! or leave as to see how it gos first.

Gigabyte Z77X-D3H (got already

SSD Samsung 128GB 830 series (got already)


RAM--Have a choice here between these two--Corsair XMS3 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit @ £95.99p or the
Team Group Elite @ £79.99- Don't think there be any difference between them except for price is there?

OCZ ZT 650W '80 Plus Bronze' Modular Power Supply [OCZ-ZT650W) - I liked this when I looked at it other day.
Should run All my Hard Drives and more attached to USB.

Zalman Z9 case I will now buy..If I need plug-n-play hard drives I can buy the front cases to fit. Or take the two out of my old PC.

I like that cooler so will stick with it.

Graphics card I know not good for games, but quite Good for photoshop.
Only problem is that it has just 1 x DVI. (did not notice that before) Anything else out there with 2 x DVI not too high in price.
Other wise I would buy it. How can it run 3 monitors?? Need two on the DVI side.

I got lots of spare DVD Writers here..Two DVDRs in a box, 5 in Towers, along with CDRs

Just need this i5 to drop in price..lol
Thanks.

PS----Is this card Good-- Gigabyte GeForce GTX 640 OC 2048MB GDDR3 PCI-Express Graphics Card [GV-N640OC-2GI] it has two DVI onboard
 
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OK--Graphics card..

MSI RADEON HD 6870 OC 1024MB GDDR5...Will this fit in my mobo Z77X-D3H
With the TeamGroup Elite 16GB (2x8) RAM
and Cooler Master Hyper 612S CPU Cooler
Along with rest above that honosuseri has mentioned.
This card looks Good to me.
Thanks.
 
YOUR BASKET
1 x Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - OEM £169.99
1 x Corsair XMS3 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C11 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX16GX3M2A1600C11) £95.99
1 x OCZ ZT 650W '80 Plus Bronze' Modular Power Supply £69.98
1 x Zalman Z9 Plus Tower Case with Fan Controller - Black £44.99
1 x Cooler Master Hyper 612S CPU Cooler (Socket LGA1366/1156/1155/775/AM3/AM2+/AM2) £32.28
1 x DEMCiflex 120mm Black Dust Filter £7.14
Total : £420.37 (includes shipping : FREE).



I'd start with that bud. I'm not 100% convinced you need the dedicated GPU.

I've used the OEM CPU (1 year warranty no stock heatsink) to save cash, CPU failure is rare in my experience. I'm using the CM 612S as i like that it comes with a tube of paste, then matterhorn is good i just think the sachet of paste is cheap lol

I'm using the XMS3 RAM as it will have XMP memory profiles in the BIOS you can select, which have the speed and timings already set for you. The TG RAM i've never heard of, i'm sure it's ok but I'll stick with the named brand warranty.

The Z9 case is great, I've tweaked mine a lil bit. AndyMKIII did a nice thread (with pics) on here about his modifications. I included the dustfilters as I ended up cutting out the vent for the PSU on my case. The vents weren't great and I wanted better airflow to get cool air into my PSU, rather than mount it "fan up" sucking warm in from the case. I don't want to put you off the case, it's amazing for the cash, there are just lil tips and tricks to get the most from it (cheap).

Multiple screens will take some explanation. If you will only use 2 screens then you can so this from the IGP or any dedicated GPU from AMD or Nvidia.

To use 3 screens at once you need either a 5/6/7000 AMD GPU or the 600 series nvidia GPUs. Before the 600 series you needed two GPUs in SLI to run the extra screen for surround view. You can buy adapters and GPUs often include them in the box (my 460 came with a DVI to VGA adapter for example) and you can also buy cables with different ends i.e DVI to VGA, or an active display port adapter when using Eyefinity (AMD).

I'd leave the GPU out for now....unless you 100% NEED CUDA support. For video encoding QuickSync is actually better than CUDA. I have the 1GB 460 in my AMD HTPC. The phenomII CPU doesnt do quicksync so I added the 460 for CUDA to assist video encoding and it also plays games well too which was nice :D

As you get free P&P it doesn't hurt to add the GPU later if you need one.
 
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olivier---Glad to know it's a Good card..Like you, my friend in IT said, use the onboard graphics to see what it is like first before deciding on a seperate card. Thinking on that one.

Lazder---Photoshop 6 needs RAM. Though Photoshop 5 will use lower. I could buy 8GB now and see how that gos first. Problem I got is that I don't know a lot about these components (Thick) lol, only know a little. So I get a bit undecided and in a muddle when I can't make up me mind, so therefore I rely on you Brainy lot. :) to get it all correct. As for CUDA..That was an easy question to answer once, but I'll try to explain as best I can...Photoshop 5 and below uses CUDA so we buy cards with CUDA onboard, that was easy, so we then could find a GC within our price range as majority had CUDA...Now, Photoshop 6 had to be different didn't it (the idiots) that uses Open GL/Open CL, so we now have to find cards that uses that. But to Confuse! the issue a little, some of us are still using PSCS5 for the moment but will be upgradeing in a few months or Xmas time, so we need a New GC with All three on board--CUDA/OpenGL/OpenCL, so we don't have to waste cash and buy another card later.
So you can see why my Mind is going Doo Lally! :)
Trying to keep my spending below £700 if possible of which I did do, but now it's just gone over that a bit. That Graphics card MSI Radeon HD 6870 OC has all I need on board CUDA/OpenGL/OpenCL, as well as Physx that I might not need, that is what drew me towards it. Hope I explained that lot ok. lol

honosuseri---I'm going to stick with what you have suggested above as that is what I had in mind first off..RAM, I did not know about XMP and what it does, so Thank You for telling me..My friend knows but he not send me email back yet. I shall buy that RAM then. I take it IGP means onboard graphics?
Thank You for describing the Multiple Screens to me..Appreciated.

Funny that, last week my friend said same thing, leave the GPU until later, that way you'll see if you do need it or not.
I got paste, so does my friend so saved cash there..lol
OEM CPU it is then.
OFF now to order the above..
THANK YOU for the kind help. Also Thank You to the others.
 
ORDERED the ABOVE and Paid..
Looking forward to seeing this lot.
Left the graphics card till later..

THANKS ALL----Appreciated your Help.
 
olivier---Glad to know it's a Good card..Like you, my friend in IT said, use the onboard graphics to see what it is like first before deciding on a seperate card. Thinking on that one.

Lazder---Photoshop 6 needs RAM. Though Photoshop 5 will use lower. I could buy 8GB now and see how that gos first. Problem I got is that I don't know a lot about these components (Thick) lol, only know a little. So I get a bit undecided and in a muddle when I can't make up me mind, so therefore I rely on you Brainy lot. :) to get it all correct. As for CUDA..That was an easy question to answer once, but I'll try to explain as best I can...Photoshop 5 and below uses CUDA so we buy cards with CUDA onboard, that was easy, so we then could find a GC within our price range as majority had CUDA...Now, Photoshop 6 had to be different didn't it (the idiots) that uses Open GL/Open CL, so we now have to find cards that uses that. But to Confuse! the issue a little, some of us are still using PSCS5 for the moment but will be upgradeing in a few months or Xmas time, so we need a New GC with All three on board--CUDA/OpenGL/OpenCL, so we don't have to waste cash and buy another card later.
So you can see why my Mind is going Doo Lally! :)
Trying to keep my spending below £700 if possible of which I did do, but now it's just gone over that a bit. That Graphics card MSI Radeon HD 6870 OC has all I need on board CUDA/OpenGL/OpenCL, as well as Physx that I might not need, that is what drew me towards it. Hope I explained that lot ok. lol

honosuseri---I'm going to stick with what you have suggested above as that is what I had in mind first off..RAM, I did not know about XMP and what it does, so Thank You for telling me..My friend knows but he not send me email back yet. I shall buy that RAM then. I take it IGP means onboard graphics?
Thank You for describing the Multiple Screens to me..Appreciated.

Funny that, last week my friend said same thing, leave the GPU until later, that way you'll see if you do need it or not.
I got paste, so does my friend so saved cash there..lol
OEM CPU it is then.
OFF now to order the above..
THANK YOU for the kind help. Also Thank You to the others.

m8 dont want to break your heart, But Am pretty sure ATI radeon 6870 does not use CUDA and Physx since they are Nvidia things and 6870 is AMD.... I might be wrong...

P.S

10 quid difference between 3570K OEM and Retail, 10 pounds for 2 extra years of warranty + heatsink... other companies want something like 50 quid for extra 2 years of warranty...

Unless you are overcloking that 3570K there is no need for 3rd party cooler either and if you are, Retail version with 3 years warranty would be smarter for you, since OC chips do burn after some time..

This PSU would be more than enough for you if you are not SLI/Crossfire

YOUR BASKET
1 x OCZ CoreXtreme 500w '80 Plus' Power Supply £29.99
Total : £29.99 (includes shipping : FREE).




Looks like you ordered, so I was late... But erm, you can always change stuff ;)

Enjoy building your system :)
 
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Hi lazder---MSI Radeon Hd 6870 OC 1024MH GDDR5
iDVD-D +iDVD-I + 1 HDMI Physx/OpenGL/OpenCL/CUDA...Unless those that are selling it are telling huge Lies..Will not ever use Physx anyway..
Can someone check it for me. Not ordered the GC yet.

I have an awfull lot of HDD here 6 External HDD from 500GB to 1 TB, 2TB in a Zyxel NSA, 1TB other. 1 TB in my Aldi PC + 2x1TB in plug n play (hot swap) Going to get more later on as I need them for my Photography. Also 4 HDD in my other PC that is giving me BSODS every so often and I can't find what's causing it. So that will be pulled aprt..RAW+TIFF+JPG takes up a lot of space, so a Good PSU is what I need. Those HDD will be going into the new PC, reason for 8SATA or more on PSU. I already got a Good Corsair 550w and a Corsair 500w in two other PCs, my friend who puts these together is going to sort the other PCs out for me and try to sell bits for spare parts or make me up a Good Server. Got two Printers in use as well + Flatbed Scanner + speaker system + HDD Docking as a standby. Too much really..LOL

I dithered over the i5..OEM or Retail. was going for Retail but decided for the Cooler and went OEM just in case I decide to overclock a little later on or at build. (will ask my friend on what's best. He builds PCs as a living..My eyes are not good for slotting in small wires for buttons etc or I would build it myself.

Many Thanks for your advice though...Appreciated.
 
Hi lazder---MSI Radeon Hd 6870 OC 1024MH GDDR5
iDVD-D +iDVD-I + 1 HDMI Physx/OpenGL/OpenCL/CUDA...Unless those that are selling it are telling huge Lies..Will not ever use Physx anyway..
Can someone check it for me. Not ordered the GC yet.

I have an awfull lot of HDD here 6 External HDD from 500GB to 1 TB, 2TB in a Zyxel NSA, 1TB other. 1 TB in my Aldi PC + 2x1TB in plug n play (hot swap) Going to get more later on as I need them for my Photography. Also 4 HDD in my other PC that is giving me BSODS every so often and I can't find what's causing it. So that will be pulled aprt..RAW+TIFF+JPG takes up a lot of space, so a Good PSU is what I need. Those HDD will be going into the new PC, reason for 8SATA or more on PSU. I already got a Good Corsair 550w and a Corsair 500w in two other PCs, my friend who puts these together is going to sort the other PCs out for me and try to sell bits for spare parts or make me up a Good Server. Got two Printers in use as well + Flatbed Scanner + speaker system + HDD Docking as a standby. Too much really..LOL

I dithered over the i5..OEM or Retail. was going for Retail but decided for the Cooler and went OEM just in case I decide to overclock a little later on or at build. (will ask my friend on what's best. He builds PCs as a living..My eyes are not good for slotting in small wires for buttons etc or I would build it myself.

Many Thanks for your advice though...Appreciated.

CUDA is nvidia only buddy. You don't get CUDA or PhysX on AMD GPUs i.e the 6870. Where does it say CUDA in a description?

As I mentioned earlier I bought the nvidia 460 specifically to get CUDA support, it was overclocked already out of the box but I pushed it further to 900mhz.....it's as fast as a 6870. Any overclock you do on the Nvidia GPU improves CUDA aswell ;)

I dont understand why you went with that GB-X mobo? Not sure you need the SLI feature but hey ho you have it now. It does enable overclocking however and it is worth doing, it's very simple to do and you have done the sensible thing and improved the cooling to tame the temps :)

The CPU warranty is for each to decide themselves. If you are really tight on a budget £10 can actually make a difference. CPU failure is pretty rare and most damage tends to be user error in my 15 year experience.

Your mobo has a 3 year UK based warranty, the RAM will be a lifetime warranty. The PSU has a 5 year warranty, in many ways you are already better off than the mugs who buy systems off the shelf at retail stores with just a 1 year warranty for the entire system ;)

Is the PSU overkill? Not really, the 550W version was only a couple of quid cheaper. 550W is a safe amount for a single GPU setup and overclocking and the unit has a 5 year warranty (3 years on lazders alternative). The PSU is modular so you keep clutter down in the case.....this helps temps. Without the GPU you wont be using anywhere near the 650W, this is good as the PSU will be quieter and more efficient. If you do add a dedicated GPU then you know you easily have enough "juice" :)

What GPU you use will be down to you bud. How bothered are you about running over 3 screens? It would be wise to check all your software and see what GPUs are certified......I know adobe didnt certify the 460, it can be used if you edit a file though. (it could be certified now in newer software)

When we know what you need we can suggest a GPU for a budget later. For 6870 money I would have thought the 460 or the 550ti would make more sense for CUDA support.
 
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