Spec me Winter Tyres

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Hi,

After some Winter Tyres for the Doris for her ford Ka 2013 model.

Not sure what size they are I think 15" but can anybody recommend some good tyres for Snow/icy conditions.

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I'm on 205/55/16 and so far:
- Vredestein Snowtrac is what I had on the last two years (got 20k out of them)

- Just trying ContiwinterContact T850's this year - don't grip as well so far, but only had them on a couple of weeks so they aren't scrubbed in yet

(And before we get the naysayers in, where I am the temperature has been below 10C for all but the last two months during my drives to/from work!)
 
Personally I wouldn't waste money on the possibility of snow arriving. Normal tyres will suffice in our normal winter conditions...
 
Unless you live in particularly heavy snow areas, or very hilly areas I wouldn't buy 'em. I've only wished I had them once, when I came down a steep hill after picking up my girlfriend - and I just skidded into a dual carriage way, luckily no one was there otherwise it'd have gotten...
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Normal Tyres?

Personally I wouldn't waste money on the possibility of snow arriving. Normal tyres will suffice in our normal winter conditions...

Anything below 7C and they are better than Summer tyres - so about 8 months of the year around here!

A snippet of my drive to work in the middle of March this year:


And this weather started in November last
 
A snippet of my drive to work in the middle of March this year:

There were 2-3 days in March that produced that horrendous snow. I was driving to the Lakes and it was some of the worst conditions I've had to drive in, but even on small, hilly, country roads I still managed in summer tyres.

Don't get me wrong it was one of those journeys where I'd wished I'd not been out, but it was a short period of freak weather.

And this weather started in November last

I was up in Aviemore in Feb this year and the roads were fine. Don't know where you are, but you don't get much worse snow than there.

No way would I say that your video is typical of weather from last November to this March.

I'm not saying that winter tyres aren't useful in some parts of the country - but to say that we get conditions like your video for more than a week or two at the most is a bit of an exaggeration.

Even the winter of 3-4 years ago, which was the most snow I've seen in Scotland in my lifetime, combined with some the coldest temperatures, only prevented me from getting to work for a few days - but that was due to road closures rather than my choice of tyres.

Winter tyres are almost never a necessity in this country (unless as already mentioned, your drive is particularly hilly). But there are times when they are not just convenient, but also a lot safer than simply 'getting by' with summer tyres. Suggesting that's the case for 5 months of the year though......!!
 
Been driving for just over 20 years now and have never had winter tyres.
Number of accidents or issues suffered in those years: 1
I'd parked on a mates drive that sloped upwards from his house to the road. Snow came down and couldn't get the grip to get off his drive onto the road.

For that number of issues in that number of years - I'll once again not be bothering this year.
 
Anything below 7C and they are better than Summer tyres - so about 8 months of the year around here!

This statement, in isolation, is completely false. Are you saying if it's 7c outside and dry that a set of Wanli winters is better than a set of Goodyear AS2 summers? Not a chance. In the dry pretty much the worst summer tyres are better than the best winters. In the wet at moderate temperatures (ie. 7c) a high performance summer tyre will still win every time.

7c is the temperatures that the tyre companies often throw around in their marketing crap but you can bet your bottom dollar that winters won't start becoming of benefit until around 3-4c.

There is such a lack of information in winter tyre marketing that no wonder people come away with the wrong idea.

I was in BMW the other day and it shows an overly simplified bar chart of how many metres it takes to stop on summers compared winters. Doesn't say at what temperature, what winters or summers they've tested, what conditions it was in etc

Side question - is it not a bit early to start thinking about fitting winters? I'm in north Yorkshire at the moment and it's 18c with 17c predicted for the next 5 days
 
Personally I wouldn't waste money on the possibility of snow arriving. Normal tyres will suffice in our normal winter conditions...

I know of loads of people who apparently absolutely NEEDED winter tyres (and gave various lame excuses as to why they did) the last couple of years... And the only time they saw snow is when the deliberately and unnecessarily went out when it started snowing just so they could say to anyone who'd listen "pffft my car was fine in the snow, because I was on WINTERS!"
 
I bought winters for one car and it allowed me to get to work, however the reason I bought them was my summers had worn and needed replacing and it was snowing at the time :D

They are good, but as has been said already, they just aren;t neccessary, I think workplaces understand when you can't get to work because it is 10 inches deep snow outside!
 
people will always want an argument about the merits of fitting them...

However i've had 'Bridgestone A001 All Weather Control' tyres on my Yaris for a year now, they're all season tyres rather than out and out winter tyres which i thought suited our climate better. They've been very good in the bits of snow we had last year and amazingly good in the cold and wet, they've also been very good in the 30+ heat of the summer and have worn about 2.5mm in the 12,000 miles i've put on the fronts and the backs are still virtually brand new.

The little Yaris was a good 50x better than my Subaru Impreza on summer tyres in the snow even with its AWD, you could get the Subaru moving 'cos of the AWD but control was terrible and it was clearly unsafe but the yaris just set off, stopped and turned with no drama or fuss.
 
There were 2-3 days in March that produced that horrendous snow. I was driving to the Lakes and it was some of the worst conditions I've had to drive in, but even on small, hilly, country roads I still managed in summer tyres.

Don't get me wrong it was one of those journeys where I'd wished I'd not been out, but it was a short period of freak weather.



I was up in Aviemore in Feb this year and the roads were fine. Don't know where you are, but you don't get much worse snow than there.

No way would I say that your video is typical of weather from last November to this March.

I'm not saying that winter tyres aren't useful in some parts of the country - but to say that we get conditions like your video for more than a week or two at the most is a bit of an exaggeration.

Even the winter of 3-4 years ago, which was the most snow I've seen in Scotland in my lifetime, combined with some the coldest temperatures, only prevented me from getting to work for a few days - but that was due to road closures rather than my choice of tyres.

Winter tyres are almost never a necessity in this country (unless as already mentioned, your drive is particularly hilly). But there are times when they are not just convenient, but also a lot safer than simply 'getting by' with summer tyres. Suggesting that's the case for 5 months of the year though......!!

I do apologise - I do not have video for every day I was driving, but I work out in the middle of North Yorkshire and, yes, it is cold/damp/wet a lot of the year at the times I drive to work.
This was a typical drive in to work for me, maybe not you - but for me it was typical!

All of the fleet cars are fitted with winter tyres all year round here.

This statement, in isolation, is completely false. Are you saying if it's 7c outside and dry that a set of Wanli winters is better than a set of Goodyear AS2 summers? Not a chance. In the dry pretty much the worst summer tyres are better than the best winters. In the wet at moderate temperatures (ie. 7c) a high performance summer tyre will still win every time.

7c is the temperatures that the tyre companies often throw around in their marketing crap but you can bet your bottom dollar that winters won't start becoming of benefit until around 3-4c.

There is such a lack of information in winter tyre marketing that no wonder people come away with the wrong idea.

I was in BMW the other day and it shows an overly simplified bar chart of how many metres it takes to stop on summers compared winters. Doesn't say at what temperature, what winters or summers they've tested, what conditions it was in etc

Side question - is it not a bit early to start thinking about fitting winters? I'm in north Yorkshire at the moment and it's 18c with 17c predicted for the next 5 days

Where did I mention Wanli tyres? if you look at what I have suggested, they are two of the best winter tyres you can buy.
Compare ContiwinterContact with some Summer ditch-finders for a similar scenario. Can you actually get AS2 for a small wheel size :confused: (and would you want to?)

"Summer tyres are best - ignore all these ignorant people who suggest using Winter tyres" is a great statement, but have you actually driven with Winter tyres on your vehicle?

Temperatures have been as low as 7C around here - maybe not last week, but we are again getting close to it around here at the time I am driving
 
I know of loads of people who apparently absolutely NEEDED winter tyres (and gave various lame excuses as to why they did) the last couple of years... And the only time they saw snow is when the deliberately and unnecessarily went out when it started snowing just so they could say to anyone who'd listen "pffft my car was fine in the snow, because I was on WINTERS!"

For me I have never needed winter tyres, ever - and I regularly head up the A9 to the north of Scotland in the middle of winter. But there are definitely times (probably 2-3 weeks) when my journey is difficult and requires some real caution.

When choosing tyres, my prime consideration is a combination of cost and safety.

In summer, I don't ever need a 'performance' tyre but I am happy to get rid of any budget tyres on a new car and replace then with something else (even if the existing ones would 'work').

In winter I just can't justify the cost, for the short period of time where they would make me feel safer - but not only that, even with winter tyres, I'd still have to drive with much the same caution because everyone else on the road is a significant hazard in snow.

If someone can justify the cost to themselves, then I wouldn't try and stop them. But deliberately going out in snow, even on winters is just an unnecessary risk, simply because of other drivers.
 
I live I the lakes and a lot of side roads do not get gritted including where we park our car so it just gets stuck the a591 can be lethal with tree branches dropping off and last year was iffy almost losing the front to a tree that fell over due to bad weather!

If it gives my wife a little more confidence to drive icy weather than its a good thing!
 
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I do apologise - I do not have video for every day I was driving, but I work out in the middle of North Yorkshire and, yes, it is cold/damp/wet a lot of the year at the times I drive to work.
This was a typical drive in to work for me, maybe not you - but for me it was typical!

I'm sorry but I'm calling ********.

No way is that in any way 'typical' for more than a few weeks.

Cold/damp/wet I can believe - but that video is heavy snow.

You make out like North Yorkshire is some sort of weather blackspot....you should try living up here and even then it's nothing like the north of Scotland where I grew up.

You've justified to yourself that winter tyres are worth the cost - that's fine. Just don't try and make out like you live somewhere that suffers from a winter apocalypse for 5 months of the year - you don't.
 
I live I the lakes and a lot of side roads do not get gritted including where we park our car so it just gets stuck the a591 can be lethal with tree branches dropping off and last year was iffy almost losing the front to a tree that fell over due to bad weather!

If it gives my wife a little more confidence to drive icy weather than its a good thing!

The roads in the Lakes can be horrendous. When I was there in March (during the heavy snow), the main roads were mostly fine (except for some drifting snow), but the back roads were just awful. I did manage with summer tyres, even on the hills, but it did really test my driving.

If I lived somewhere with roads (and hills) like that, then I would consider it - but again the benefit is only really for a few weeks of the year.

It's a personal thing - if you think the cost is worth it, then go for it.

People on this forum only really have a problem with people making out like we live in a country that has snow on the roads for months on end. We don't.
 
Winter tyres are more aimed at people living in Sweden. You don't need them here. Majority of roads are gritted and those that aren't, are easily avoided.
 
I'm sorry but I'm calling ********.

No way is that in any way 'typical' for more than a few weeks.

Cold/damp/wet I can believe - but that video is heavy snow.

You make out like North Yorkshire is some sort of weather blackspot....you should try living up here and even then it's nothing like the north of Scotland where I grew up.

You've justified to yourself that winter tyres are worth the cost - that's fine. Just don't try and make out like you live somewhere that suffers from a winter apocalypse for 5 months of the year - you don't.

Nope you are correct there is not a Winter apocalypse, it can be bad though.
The last winter was bad, the one before was fine even though outside temperatures were down to -7C in places most days Nov - Feb, and below 10C until April
I work in the middle of nowhere - there was snow on the roads (maybe not falling every single day) and it was compacted so well that even gritting would not clear it. The road shown in the clip was clear for probably a third of the time, with snow in the hedgerows

Winter tyres are more aimed at people living in Sweden. You don't need them here. Majority of roads are gritted and those that aren't, are easily avoided.
They are not easily avoided if your place of work is on the middle of an untreated/rural road
 
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