Speccing a new rig

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Hello guys,

First the spec, then the waffle:

MSI GeForce GTX 570 OC Twin FrozR III Power Edition 1280MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card **Supplied with FREE Batman: Arkham City PC game £263.99

Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail with FREE TrackMania 2 Canyon PC Game £173.99

Samsung B2430H 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Glossy Black £167.99

Asus P8Z68-V Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £131.99

Crucial RealSSD M4 64GB 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Hard Drive £72.98

Antec TruePower New Modular 650W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £64.98

BitFenix Shinobi Gaming Windowed Case - Black £56.99

Antec Kúhler H2O 620 CPU Watercooler (Socket Intel LGA 775 / 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / AMD AM2 / AM3 / AM2+ / AM3+) £49.99

Samsung SH-B123L/BSBP 12x BluRay ROM / 16x DVD±RW Lightscribe SATA-II Optical Drive - Black (OEM) £49.99

Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 32MB Cache - OEM (WD10EARX) £46.99

Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMX4GX3M2A1600C9) £29.99

Total : £1,132.79

Target: Best setup under £1,100

Thoughts:

I made a thread a little while back asking for advice on a setup I was putting together. Now, after having had a hectic few months, I have returned to my ambition to build a gaming rig. Not too much has changed since the start of the summer except that now we know what the supposedly recommended specs for BF3 are going to be. This has gotten me thinking:

Initially I wanted to build an all powerful gaming rig to last about 2 years - this seemed logical and doable as to me it seemed (though please set me straight on this) that hardware hasn't been pushed all that much in the years since crysis came out. However, having seen that titles like BF3 and Witcher 2 are starting to have demanding requirements, finally it seems like hardware is chasing software again.

Suddenly, when buying the single best card still wont max out the newest fps, the prospect of buying the best hardware to make it last for years seems pointless. Instead what I want to do is spend a reasonable amount of money now so I can run games well, but not enough to prohibit me from wanting to upgrade it next year (possibly sli the card, or overclock, etc). I want to future proof my rig so that I can upgrade to keep abreast of changes. This is especially important if anyone knows of any big changes on their way in hardware interoperability in the next year, and if so how I can mitigate against them.

So, if anyone could inspect my specification and help me do the following I would be very much obliged:
1. bring down the cost
2. make it future proof
3. make it excellent at gaming, but not overly so (this point is a bit meta)

Many thanks!
Sirrah
 
Only thing I can think of replacing is the memory! The corsair stuff is good, but maybe go for something a bit better like the Corsair Vengence 4GB kit. It is more overclockable and has better reviews than the standard XMS3.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-298-CS&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=1517

You have a good SSD, nice GPU that will last a good few years and that awesome CPU!

Maybe get a better case, not a fan of the Shinobi! Bit to bland and boring in looks. It has nice features, but spend a little more and get the HAF 922. The HAF 922 has better cooling than the Shinobi and more space inside. But the looks can be vulgar to some people. Depends on your taste in cases and looks.

Anyways, link to the HAF922: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-176-CM&groupid=701&catid=7&subcat=29
 
I have to say I rather like the clean lines of the BitFenix case, as long as everyone accepts it is up to the job. Ill have a look at the memory situation and edit that in.

With regards to the 570, any idea whether its going to be able to sli easily? It looks like a big card from the pictures, so was wondering about mobo size. Also I havn't sli'd anything before, actually this is my first desktop build of my own from scratch - so will I have to get identical 570's if I want to sli them, or can I vary the brand/spec?

Ty
 
To the Sli question. No they don't have to be matching pairs like memory did for dual channel back in the day. You can have a Gainwood and Asus GTX570 paired together if you want.

You power unit is a bit on the "small size" for Sli. I would recommend at least 750 watts for Sli with them cards as each card uses 230 watts of power equalling 460 watts between them. Then take on board the power needed to the motherboard, cpu, ssd and hard drives. You will be cutting it very close with a 650W PSU. Get a 750W just to be on the safe side.

Sli is pretty easy. Hook up your cards, add the sli bridge to link the cards, put in your hdmi/dvi/vga cable and hook the monitor up to the FIRST card i.e. one closest to your cpu, install windows, go to Nvidia.com, download the drivers. Use the auto detect tool which will find out that you have sli, and it will give you the correct and latest drivers to download. Install, restart, done.

Simplez!
 
Ah, many thanks for the info on sli. I mean i'm not entirely sure which way upgrading the desktop would go - though I would want to keep sli open as an option.

Otherwise, do you know of any imminent releases (i.e. this year) that I should hold on for? I'm thinking mainly cpu or mobo as I heard that nvidia gpu's wont refresh until next year. Similarly, is there anything on the horizon in a medium term that might limit how upgradable it is? Perhaps something I can factor into the motherboard decision?

Many thanks!
 
Erm, AMD are bringing out their Bulldozer FX processors which with rumours on the net and THIS: http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1980971 , which is a validated CPU-Z screen shot and its verified on the AMD website and youtube channel and their facebook pages (I could go on). That is a Bulldozer FX processor hitting a world record 8.4924ghz.

The new FX processors are going to pawn the Sandy Bridge processors. The only other CPU will be the Ivy Bridge processors coming out end of 2012 from Intel. Will be compatible with LGA1155 but probably have their own socket by then knowing Intel at the moment.

Erm apart from that, its all the GPU's that will be taking the crown in 2012 including AMD/ATI's 7 series and the GTX600 series from Nvidia. Going to have to wait till they come out to see what they are good at.
 
Thanks so much for the feedback!

Vis a vis Gen 3 motherboards, that sounds excellent - although won't ivy bridge have its own socket? Also, how far off are pci-e 3 cards? I have an image of me buying a gen 3 mobo really early to find out that it isn't up to snuff once the hardware actually arrives.

Anyway, I had a look at some benchmarks and the 570 still seems pretty favourable, here is my current spec:

Your basket:

MSI GeForce GTX 570 OC Twin FrozR III Power Edition 1280MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card **Supplied with FREE Batman: Arkham City PC game** £279.98

Samsung B2430H 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Glossy Black £167.99

Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail with FREE TrackMania 2 Canyon PC Game £155.99

MSI Z68A-GD65-G3 Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £144.00

Crucial RealSSD M4 64GB 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Hard Drive £72.98

BitFenix Shinobi Gaming Windowed Case - Black £56.99

OcUK Crusade 750W Dual-Rail High Efficiency '80 Plus' Power Supply £52.98

Antec Kúhler H2O 620 CPU Watercooler £49.99

Samsung SH-B123L/BSBP 12x BluRay ROM / 16x DVD±RW Lightscribe SATA-II Optical Drive - Black (OEM) £49.99

Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 32MB Cache - OEM £46.99

Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit £29.99

Total : £1,132.00
 
Ivy Bridge can be used in the SB socket. Thought it will also have its owns socket.

PCI-E 3 cards are at least 9 - 12 months away!

Get rid of that Memory and get the Corsair Dominator or Vengence!
 
Right you spenders, I have updated my basket!

Your basket

MSI GeForce GTX 570 OC Twin FrozR III Power Edition 1280MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card **Supplied with FREE Batman: Arkham City PC game** £279.98

Samsung B2430H 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Glossy Black £167.99

Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail with FREE TrackMania 2 Canyon PC Game £155.99

MSI Z68A-GD65-G3 Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £144.00

Antec TruePower New Modular 750W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £85.99

Crucial RealSSD M4 64GB 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Hard Drive £72.98

BitFenix Shinobi Gaming Windowed Case - Black £56.99

Antec Kúhler H2O 620 CPU Watercooler £49.99

Samsung SH-B123L/BSBP 12x BluRay ROM / 16x DVD±RW Lightscribe SATA-II Optical Drive - Black (OEM) £49.99

Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 32MB Cache - OEM £46.99

Corsair Vengeance 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit £41.99

Total : £1,175.81

In truth I wanted to spend a little less than this but ultimately I just want to get my first build right! I know very little about oc'ing but can definitely see it becoming a hobby, so i'm glad to know I have the kit to get going with it.

Now, before I send this order on monday is there anything else you would recommend I take a look at? This could include alternative more cost effective ideas for anything here. The build is near final but I am open to all suggestions!

Thanks,

Sirrah
 
I agree with beejjacobs... 22" is fine. Same resolution, just a bit smaller screen. I still use a 19" widescreen and that still does me.

Good job on changing that ****** ram for something good.

Enjoy the rig, looks cool.

CinderzFTW
 
I don't usually exhibit brand loyalty but I have a similar samsung monitor already being used as a tv elsewhere and I absolutely love it - the design, the image quality, everything. As for the screen size - I think this one may also be used for watching movies from a reasonable distance, which I think the extra 2" could be good for. It is a tough one though, especially as I could save some scrilla. Hmm.
 
Ah, just realised I will need a wireless network card - too long spent using laptops and idevices!

Could someone recommend me a good but inexpensive one? Not sure what will get the job done sufficiently without setting me back a load of money.

Well one problem with your psu (the OCUK one). it only has a 4pin motherboard adapter and your motherboard requires an 8 pin. either buy a converter: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...28&subcat=1689, or a new psu.

tbh, just get the converter, its only 3.49, cannot complain!

I looked at the mobo spec and couldnt see whether it references 4 or 8 pin connectors. Bearing in mind I have changed my psu to an antec one as listed above anyway, is this still an issue? It looks as though the antec psu has an 8x pin adaptor, so I think it should be fine. If you would double check for me I would sleep much more soundly!

Also: wow! Is it me or did the 2500k just suddenly go up in price? It was £155.99, now it is £173.99. It wasn't on a deal to my knowledge, any ideas?
 
Ah, excellent. Thankyou all - especially you cinderz - for the advice.

I have final build now and will order on monday if all goes to plan. Will check then to capitalize on any deals which arise! I can only hope that the other components don't go up in price as well as the cpu.

Sirrah

Your basket

MSI GeForce GTX 570 OC Twin FrozR III Power Edition 1280MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card **Supplied with FREE Batman: Arkham City PC game** £279.98

Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz (Sandybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor - Retail with FREE TrackMania 2 Canyon PC Game £173.99

Samsung B2430H 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor - Glossy Black £167.99

MSI Z68A-GD65-G3 Intel Z68 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £144.00

Antec TruePower New Modular 750W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply £85.99

Crucial RealSSD M4 64GB 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Hard Drive £72.98

BitFenix Shinobi Gaming Windowed Case - Black £56.99

Antec Kúhler H2O 620 CPU Watercooler (Socket Intel LGA 775 / 1155 / 1156 / 1366 / AMD AM2 / AM3 / AM2+ / AM3+) £49.99

Samsung SH-B123L/BSBP 12x BluRay ROM / 16x DVD±RW Lightscribe SATA-II Optical Drive - Black (OEM) £49.99

Western Digital Caviar Green 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 32MB Cache - OEM (WD10EARX)£46.99
Corsair Vengeance 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C8 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMZ4GX3M2A1600C8) £41.99

OcUK Value 300Mbps Wireless-N PCI Adapter £16.99

Total : £1,210.80

I think this is pretty good - should run BF3 pretty nicely - though I have learned that you don't come to the ocUK forums to save money lol
 
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