SPEED CAMERA STATS ARE WRONG: OFFICIAL

I went a different way to work this morning and drove through a couple of crazily placed speed cameras.

They were either side of a 20mph zone outside a school. Not in the 20mph zone itself but in the 40mph zone where the road opens out in to a long straight.

So, people doing 40mph past the school and then carrying on will be safe from the camera's gaze. Folk doing 20mph past the school and then speeding up to 50mph once passed it, will be flashed.

Q: Why not place the cameras in the 20mph zone?
A: Because the road directly outside the school has two very tight bends on it and people will naturally do 20mph through there due to the road conditions. So no revenue.
 
Freefaller said:
I'm always dubious about facts quoted by statistics. You can forge statistics into any shape you want to make your argument look better/worse dependind on what you are trying to achieve. I think most things like this need to be taken with a pinch of salt.

However I doubt they'll remove speed cameras. The only cameras I do agree with are the SPECS in road works areas and traffic light cameras.

The day I see speed cameras and speed traps outside schools/hospitals/etc.. is when the hypocricy will end and the day I can walk across the lakes of hell.
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i hope youve got waterwings as its been happening here (london and kent) for years, theve got 14 cameras outside schools in south london, and cameras outside st thomas's hospital, ucl , and now also guys
 
jimblowscash said:
theres a simple answer. a tin of spray underseal over the lens of the camera, it fubars em.
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lol
were i live there are 3 speed cameras in the space of 200yards and there always getting sprayed, so much so that they have now put up CCTV in between the cams.
the 3 said cams are on a straight piece of road that in 30 years i have never seen or heard of a accident.

when you drive around lookout for the 2 wires across the road, there put down to see if people are speeding on said road and if it worth while putting speed cams up there.
i see so many just drive over them without slowing down then a few months later up pops a speed cam on the road.
if you see just 1 wire across the road, its recording traffic volume.. 2 wires across the road are recording speed.
im from the old days lol, when that was the way they court you speeding so i always slow down for them. but people new to the road in the past 10 years dont see them as that and just speed over them and then are the first to moan about the speed cams popping up everywere.
 
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pinkaardvark said:
Concentrating on driving means being aware of things on the road and at the side of the road. If you can't see the big yellow box because you are concentrating so hard you won't see the big yellow combine harvester about to pull out of a farm lane in front of you or the little girl wearing a yellow dress about to run out to fetch her ball.
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I can see a speed camera just fine, the issue is that I would then have to look at my speedo to determine whether the speed I am doing is legal (rather than Safe)

Safe speed isn't indicated by the little number...

Hence I may have to alter my speed (or someone else may alter their speed) unnecessarily, which is far more dangerous than a constant traffic flow.
 
jimblowscash said:
i hope youve got waterwings as its been happening here (london and kent) for years, theve got 14 cameras outside schools in south london, and cameras outside st thomas's hospital, ucl , and now also guys
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Well I have no problems with that. I live in London too - and there are far too many idiots tearing around like prats. Country lanes, and open dual carriageways is one thing - built up areas and narrrow streets with kids around is another.
 
Dolph said:
I can see a speed camera just fine, the issue is that I would then have to look at my speedo to determine whether the speed I am doing is legal (rather than Safe)

Safe speed isn't indicated by the little number...

Hence I may have to alter my speed (or someone else may alter their speed) unnecessarily, which is far more dangerous than a constant traffic flow.
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Well I read an interesting article in Ride this month where they took 8 superbike owners and got them to ride at 60, 70 and 100mph with there clocks taped up. On average they were only 2.5% out, whereas the clocks themselves were on average 8.5% innacurate. So really most drivers and riders should actually know when they are speeding or not. Plus if you see a camera it's not hard to glance at your clocks and slow down if required.

I tried the above myself and found I also can pretty much drive at 60 within a 2-3mph discrepancy.
 
pinkaardvark said:
Well I read an interesting article in Ride this month where they took 8 superbike owners and got them to ride at 60, 70 and 100mph with there clocks taped up. On average they were only 2.5% out, whereas the clocks themselves were on average 8.5% innacurate. So really most drivers and riders should actually know when they are speeding or not. Plus if you see a camera it's not hard to glance at your clocks and slow down if required.

I tried the above myself and found I also can pretty much drive at 60 within a 2-3mph discrepancy.
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But that doesn't address the fact that the number on the speedo has nothing to do with whether it's a safe speed or not, which is what causes people to brake ;)
 
slightly OT but i requested a copy of the photographic evidence from a camera once.
it holds a place amongst all the other unusual "life trinkets" i've accumulated.
:D
 
pinkaardvark said:
So really most drivers and riders should actually know when they are speeding or not.
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you just can't compare bikers and car drivers though.
for starters, bikers tend to be much better road users, are more aware and obsevant than the majority of car drivers.
secondly you are so many more times insulated from almost feedback stimuli when in a car.
a biker can feel/hear the wind, road noise, engine noise etc etc whereas it's a car manufacturers job to engineer these things out of their products.
 
That must be why I usually put the window down, I can change up within a couple hundred revs of the limiter just off that kind of judgement. I doubt thats to do with the sound of the engine more likely Ive learnt the speed/gear ratios
 
silversurfer said:
That must be why I usually put the window down, I can change up within a couple hundred revs of the limiter just off that kind of judgement. I doubt thats to do with the sound of the engine more likely Ive learnt the speed/gear ratios
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one of my closest friends is also an ex-biker and has told me on many occaisions that he simply cannot drive without one of the windows in his car open slightly.
 
Freefaller said:
awww shucks :o :p
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changed my mind.
if you can't reply in less than 8 hours then the romance is off.
i want your stuff cleared out by tomorrow , lol.

back OT i wonder if these figures take into account the increase in car ownership?
it stands to reason more cars=more accidents.
 
Dr Who said:
wow you mean they dont save lies and are purely revenue generators...

I would never have guessed..

;)
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SELF ACTIVATED revenue generators remember.
at some point you have to ask the question, who's dafter?
them for installing the cameras, or us for repeatedly going through them faster than the posted limit?
 
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