Speed limit cuts move a step closer
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Thats what drives me insane. If I am pressing on and somebody is doing 50 it doesnt bother me - its entirely their choice. But if they are doing 50 right up behind somebody else who is right up behind somebody else suddenly I have to perform a 3 car overtake.
Then when i crash and am killed, horrifically, it will be because I was a speeding motorist not driven to insanity by people who cant drive.
Then when i crash and am killed, horrifically, it will be because I was a speeding motorist not driven to insanity by people who cant drive.
Which will acheive what?
If you drive a Bugatti Veyron a 3 car overtake requires a little extra space than a 1 car overtake.
Ok haven't read the thread but my opinion is that instead of slashing speed limits etc. people should start to see driving as a privilege NOT a right and therefore the driving test should be made much harder to ensure people are competent drivers. Poor drivers should be taken off the road much sooner and as such the quality of driving will increase and the roads will be safer.
[TW]Fox;13928630 said:The law is the law Dolph, don't argue with it. It's all black and white like being clamped by a private parking firm
I know I probably shouldn't feed a poor attempt to troll, but laws are made by the state and are supposed to address a social harm and provide a tangible reduction.
By contrast, an individual or business can decide on any rules for use of their land for whatever reason they like...
The difference is that you don't have a choice about the law, but you do have a choice about entering a home or business, and so the latter is (or should be if decent enforcement was permitted) self-regulating due to business risk.
Sorry it's a bit long but this comment from Edmund King, President of the AA is (IMO) absolutely spot on.
"We need a national commitment from everyone to reduce road deaths — whether drivers, pedestrians, cyclists or motorbike riders. This is your one chance in a decade to have your say on how we reduce deaths.
This is vital. If you are aged 17 to 24, your biggest life threat is not drugs or knives but dying in a road crash. If you drink and drive, you are more likely to die.
Targets need to be real, challenging and specific for the road ahead. We need a target for young drivers. We need regional targets where there are local problems. We need to crack down on drink and drug driving.
We need to get a balance between mobility and safety. Too many draconian restrictions on young drivers such as night curfews, passenger restrictions or increasing the driving age will backfire and increase the “motoring underclass” — those who drive outside the law.
Education needs to start at an earlier age to mould road safety attitudes. Five and six-year-olds are eager to learn; by the age of 18 it is almost too late. This education needs to cover road use as a life skill and needs to change our attitude to risk. We can improve driver training and the driving test but we must be realistic. If the test is too difficult people will again stray outside the law.
Enforcement should ensure that all drivers do not lose sight of the basics such as the importance of seatbelts, child seats and staying sober. We need more police officers in cars to target the dangerous drivers not picked up by cameras — the tailgaters, the mobile-phone users — and to act as a visual deterrent. Errant drivers should be put back on course by education, therefore we need national speed awareness courses and more driver rectification schemes. We need to instil in everyone the realisation that they are at risk on the road.
Most measures will have costs; either with more restriction, such as 50mph limits on certain rural roads and a lower drink-drive threshold, or more expense, such as safer road design and driver retesting and reassessment.
Now is the time for the British public to tell the Government just how safe they want their roads to be. It is a matter of life and death."
Of course it will never happen, if they pumped some of the billions gained from scameras, into education programmes, they know they will be cutting off their nose to spite their face, as in the future the income from scameras etc will drop as educated drivers will not be caught as often as uneducated ones.
If you fancy a bit of "light" reading before bed, HERE is the full Government consultation document. It includes all the proposals for reduced limits, updated driving test and various other measures, aimed to hopefully cut road deaths by a third by 2020.
If you really wish you can respond with your views on the document HERE.
All views are welcomed and will be looked at.
"We need a national commitment from everyone to reduce road deaths — whether drivers, pedestrians, cyclists or motorbike riders. This is your one chance in a decade to have your say on how we reduce deaths.
This is vital. If you are aged 17 to 24, your biggest life threat is not drugs or knives but dying in a road crash. If you drink and drive, you are more likely to die.
Targets need to be real, challenging and specific for the road ahead. We need a target for young drivers. We need regional targets where there are local problems. We need to crack down on drink and drug driving.
We need to get a balance between mobility and safety. Too many draconian restrictions on young drivers such as night curfews, passenger restrictions or increasing the driving age will backfire and increase the “motoring underclass” — those who drive outside the law.
Education needs to start at an earlier age to mould road safety attitudes. Five and six-year-olds are eager to learn; by the age of 18 it is almost too late. This education needs to cover road use as a life skill and needs to change our attitude to risk. We can improve driver training and the driving test but we must be realistic. If the test is too difficult people will again stray outside the law.
Enforcement should ensure that all drivers do not lose sight of the basics such as the importance of seatbelts, child seats and staying sober. We need more police officers in cars to target the dangerous drivers not picked up by cameras — the tailgaters, the mobile-phone users — and to act as a visual deterrent. Errant drivers should be put back on course by education, therefore we need national speed awareness courses and more driver rectification schemes. We need to instil in everyone the realisation that they are at risk on the road.
Most measures will have costs; either with more restriction, such as 50mph limits on certain rural roads and a lower drink-drive threshold, or more expense, such as safer road design and driver retesting and reassessment.
Now is the time for the British public to tell the Government just how safe they want their roads to be. It is a matter of life and death."
Of course it will never happen, if they pumped some of the billions gained from scameras, into education programmes, they know they will be cutting off their nose to spite their face, as in the future the income from scameras etc will drop as educated drivers will not be caught as often as uneducated ones.
If you fancy a bit of "light" reading before bed, HERE is the full Government consultation document. It includes all the proposals for reduced limits, updated driving test and various other measures, aimed to hopefully cut road deaths by a third by 2020.
If you really wish you can respond with your views on the document HERE.
All views are welcomed and will be looked at.
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This reminds me of a key roadcraft instructors line. That being that if you cannot safely stop in a controlled manner within the visible area of road ahead, you're going too fast. This also covers contingency stopping (bunnies, foxes, supergrans etc).
I do still have this overriding feeling that we're headed down the wrong route to true road safety because the driving standards set out by driving schools leaves new drivers still underprepared for all eventualities. By that I refer to countries like Germany and Finland where driving tuition and testing costs and arm and a leg for very good reasons.
On a side note, I don't really understand why there is such disparity between UK driving standards anyway, for example police training vs regular advanced driving vs standard highway code tests etc. Why we don't have one standard for all is beyond me. I don't mean that everyone needs to be persuit trained, but that those 'higher' standard tests teach awareness ata level which the standard test simply does not come close to.
The government are doing it all wrong.
I do still have this overriding feeling that we're headed down the wrong route to true road safety because the driving standards set out by driving schools leaves new drivers still underprepared for all eventualities. By that I refer to countries like Germany and Finland where driving tuition and testing costs and arm and a leg for very good reasons.
On a side note, I don't really understand why there is such disparity between UK driving standards anyway, for example police training vs regular advanced driving vs standard highway code tests etc. Why we don't have one standard for all is beyond me. I don't mean that everyone needs to be persuit trained, but that those 'higher' standard tests teach awareness ata level which the standard test simply does not come close to.
The government are doing it all wrong.
Is it because we are moving to electric cars, so the government won't be able to tax by emissions.....so they need a new revenue stream...such as speeding? which would clear the roads and save lives and generate cash?
Quids in. I hate the people in charge so much
Quids in. I hate the people in charge so much
[TW]Fox;13929036 said:
So lets just rip up ALL motoring laws and regulations, and let everybody drive around however they want, in whatever they want, at whatever speed they want, with no recriminations at all.
I think I am starting to get a bit old and senile, but I do not see how that makes the roads any safer, I stand to be corrected though.
The trouble with all laws and regulations is that you have to try to cope with the lowest common denominator all the time, and that will, by its very nature, **** off the more able and intelligent human beings amongst us.
There are two choices:
a) Don't give the lowest common denominators a licence until they have developed the required skills to drive safely on the roads.
b) Lower the skills requirements so there is slightly less chance of deaths occurring when these useless drivers cause an accident.
The second choice is akin to putting a young Albert Einstein in a class of dribbling retards playing with nice soft toys rather than allowing him to attend his physics lessons.
Nothing wrong with the 60 limit at all, except in my opinion, it should, along with the 70 limt on Motorways and Dual Carriageways, be raised quite a bit.
Yes there are other areas of society that could do with great chunks of funding. But the Government are getting huge revenue from us motorists, and yet they do not listen to what we want in any way, and just keep pounding us more and more with draconian limits. Eventually these will (as Edmund King pointed out) create an motoring underclass who will drive outside of the law, and cost genuine motorists more and more through increased insurance etc.
Why can't the billions we pay go to increased education of young people, and a better driving test, aimed at younger drivers so that we can produce long term benefits to all. The knock on effect, I believe, will better the whole of society through increased education, more discipline, and better standards of behaviour from the young drivers, that will carry through with them into other areas of their lives.
Yes there are other areas of society that could do with great chunks of funding. But the Government are getting huge revenue from us motorists, and yet they do not listen to what we want in any way, and just keep pounding us more and more with draconian limits. Eventually these will (as Edmund King pointed out) create an motoring underclass who will drive outside of the law, and cost genuine motorists more and more through increased insurance etc.
Why can't the billions we pay go to increased education of young people, and a better driving test, aimed at younger drivers so that we can produce long term benefits to all. The knock on effect, I believe, will better the whole of society through increased education, more discipline, and better standards of behaviour from the young drivers, that will carry through with them into other areas of their lives.
Point A every time, by educating the dribbling retards, so that they have the same skills set as a driving Einstein, even if that means they do not get a licence untill they are 50.
Make the driving test cover ALL aspects of motoring, all kinds of bad weather, night driving, high speed handling, and many other areas.
Then the laws and regulations can be relaxed to suit the drivers of the future, with their much improved set of driving skills and knowledge.
What about the economic implications of denying a sizeable proportion (the retarded drivers) the ability to travel to employment and suchlike.
Have said it before, the lax driving standards and subsequent deaths/injuries are simply the price we (as a country) pay for having a flexible and mobile workforce greater than probably deserve it.