Speeding 41 in 30 band B or fixed penalty

[mattyg]

HI

I really should know this but its not cropped up for so long.

One of my drivers has just recieved a NIP nudge via our hire company

41 in a 30.camera. Now hes panicking.... Wouldn't that normally be dealt with by a fixed penalty. A mate of his has been winding him up about the change in law the other year. But I thought that was only applicable if it went to court.

Don't get me wrong his attitude towards the Police means he could very easily argue his way form a FP to a custodial sentance

 

[mattyg]

The bands are only relevant in court, not for FPNs. Assuming he's not on 9 points or something, surely the only way that is going to court is if he doesn't return the NIP or rejects the FPN?
Might even be offered a speed awareness course, 41 in a 30 is on the upper end of the guidelines apparently.

Thanks. Thats what I thought but not having had to deal with this for so long... Things get lost in translation

 

[mattyg]

To be honest 41 is tame for him...Just checked out his tracker...Some triple digit runs.......Naughty naughty.

 

[mattyg]

If an employer has knowledge that one fo their drivers is speeding excessively and doesn't take appropriate action then there is a whole woorld of legal and insurance repurcusions.

He'll be getting told. HR are a bit soft. The tracker policy states we only check if we know of an instance. Not to go looking for.
We ahve a simialr issue with using CCTV in the restuarants. We cant use them to check if staff are walking ou the door with stock. But can check if someone says X walked out with Y. But if we see any other instances whilst checking we have to ignore

 

[mattyg]

My work vehicles are actively tracked and the software flags speeding. If I did 41 in a 30 I'd be in the office and walking out with at least a final written. If I was the hire firm, you wouldn't be hiring from us again.

If you were working for the Hire firm then chances are you'd be called into an office somewhere. With a fleet of over 1000 vehicles it'll be a big hit to your accounts.

The HR dept came up with the tracking policy without thinking it through. I'm still campaigning for monitoring but they aint budging yet.

 

[mattyg]

You miss my point. Poll how many people with a NIP of over (at a guess) 36mph but below 43mph have been offered a SAC from any major force and I suspect if it isn't zero, it's near as dammit. Forces do not tolerate urban speeding, period, so although the "guidance" suggests it, the tolerance of a police force won't. You will do far more damage speeding in an urban area than you will committing the same calculation window on a dual carriageway or motorway and that is why a poxy 4 hour get out of jail free card is often reserved for your 33 to 35mph child killers.

I had an SAC for 40 in 30 hampshire a few years back. Told the copper I thought it was a 40 he said i can see that as I was bang on that speed. Turns out it used to be 40 but they built some offices and a maccys and lowered that section.

 

[mattyg]

Out of interest, are we saying those forces mandate a SAC upto 42/43mph? And, if it's not mandated, what then determines if a SAC is offered? Location, fixed or mobile, time of day, day of week, month of year? I'll stick by my experience, which is more than I care to share, that you'll be incredibly fortunate to receive the offer of a SAC over 36mph. I've even had a nip for 33mph in a 30mph before, so where does that fit this little utopia?

Dont you always get a NIP. Then after you've filled it in they either offer you a SAC or a fixed penalty... Or court if your proper naughty