No chance in hell are you getting a SAC for that, even if first time offence. It's well beyond the tolerance level of almost all forces for a 30 zone. Punishment margins in low speed areas is far harsher than on a NSL or Motorway.
Speeding 41 in 30 band B or fixed penalty
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No chance in hell are you getting a SAC for that, even if first time offence. It's well beyond the tolerance level of almost all forces for a 30 zone. Punishment margins in low speed areas is far harsher than on a NSL or Motorway.
He'll be getting told. HR are a bit soft. The tracker policy states we only check if we know of an instance. Not to go looking for.
We ahve a simialr issue with using CCTV in the restuarants. We cant use them to check if staff are walking ou the door with stock. But can check if someone says X walked out with Y. But if we see any other instances whilst checking we have to ignore
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My work vehicles are actively tracked and the software flags speeding. If I did 41 in a 30 I'd be in the office and walking out with at least a final written. If I was the hire firm, you wouldn't be hiring from us again.
If you were working for the Hire firm then chances are you'd be called into an office somewhere. With a fleet of over 1000 vehicles it'll be a big hit to your accounts.
The HR dept came up with the tracking policy without thinking it through. I'm still campaigning for monitoring but they aint budging yet.
Standard guidance is that SAC can be offered up to 42mph in a 30, so 41mph is not 'well beyond the tolerance level of almost all forces' at all.
As a rule of thumb, you won't get ticketed until you exceed 10%+2mph over the limit but you may be offered a SAC at up to 10%+9mph over the limit.
You miss my point. Poll how many people with a NIP of over (at a guess) 36mph but below 43mph have been offered a SAC from any major force and I suspect if it isn't zero, it's near as dammit. Forces do not tolerate urban speeding, period, so although the "guidance" suggests it, the tolerance of a police force won't. You will do far more damage speeding in an urban area than you will committing the same calculation window on a dual carriageway or motorway and that is why a poxy 4 hour get out of jail free card is often reserved for your 33 to 35mph child killers.
Well my own personal experience is getting offered a SAC for 42 in a 30.
Most forces won't even issue a NIP until 35mph in a 30, the idea that they're only offering SAC to people up to 36mph is nonsense.
Edit - as a point of reference, last year the following forces all confirmed their cameras won't trigger until you breach 10%+2, for a few it's 10%+3.
Avon and Somerset
Cheshire
Cleveland
Derbyshire
Devon and Cornwall
Durham
Gwent
Hampshire
Kent
Lancashire
Leicestershire
Merseyside
Metropolitan
Norfolk
North Wales
Northumbria
Northern Ireland
South Wales
South Yorkshire
Suffolk
Thames Valley
Warwickshire
West Mercia
West Yorkshire
None of their cameras will even flash until 35/36. They're clearly not restricting offers of SACs to 33 to 35mph.
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I had an SAC for 40 in 30 hampshire a few years back. Told the copper I thought it was a 40 he said i can see that as I was bang on that speed. Turns out it used to be 40 but they built some offices and a maccys and lowered that section.
Out of interest, are we saying those forces mandate a SAC upto 42/43mph? And, if it's not mandated, what then determines if a SAC is offered? Location, fixed or mobile, time of day, day of week, month of year? I'll stick by my experience, which is more than I care to share, that you'll be incredibly fortunate to receive the offer of a SAC over 36mph. I've even had a nip for 33mph in a 30mph before, so where does that fit this little utopia?
Dont you always get a NIP. Then after you've filled it in they either offer you a SAC or a fixed penalty... Or court if your proper naughty
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a NIP for 33mph
haven't they got to allow leeway for some kind of car speedometer variance?It was for 33mph. Admittedly this is Dorset, they are quite literally a law into themselves (one of the few forces to run their own 5 hour SAC)... They have a no excuse mantra and some cameras will ping at 33mph.
We are saying those forces confirmed their cameras won't even trigger until 35/36mph, so your stance that most forces won't offer a SAC above 36mph and will mostly only use them for 33 to 35mph offences is clearly a nonsense. I would further that to say it's unlikely that the forces following ACPO guidelines for when to issue a NIP are going to subsequently ignore the same guidelines about when to offer SACs. It's not a 'little utopia', it's just a majority of forces following published guidelines.
I can find absolutely no evidence to support either of your main claims - that forces mainly only use SACs for 33 to 35mph offences (talking about 30mph limits obviously) or that 'as near as damnit zero' SACs are being offered for 36 to 42mph offences. If you have anything to back those up beyond you simply stating it repeatedly i'd be interested to see it.
I note in your later posts you reference your experience being Dorset - an area i'm particularly careful with monitoring my speed because as you say, Dorset are extremely militant in their speed enforcement but in my experience, they're very much an exception, not the rule.
I suspect you're right, although my experience is proportional to Dorset for lower speed offences. What I find interesting is that SAC courses hammer home how even being 3mph over a 30mph speed limit increase braking distances. If most of the people who attend don't even set the camera off until 35/36mph, there lies a completely useless fact, the purpose of which is educational awareness.
I don't recall that from mine. There was some cursory discussion of increased reaction time/distances meaning 'but modern brakes' wasn't a free pass to speed but it wasn't a massive focal point.
There was a lot of questioning people's reasons, discussing whether you actually get anywhere quicker or just catch up with more traffic, how to identify the limit of unsigned roads and some highway code updates, though the last bit may have been a response to the majority of the attendees looking about 50+ at the course I attended. Half the people at the course I attended couldn't tell the difference between a single and dual carriageway.
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Sent my NIP form back three weeks ago for doing 39 in a 30 zone and got a SAC offer, this was on Derby street, Bolton so GMP.
£90 and they provide refreshments, bargain
Must be luck of the draw.
I've mixed feelings over it but Dorset seem quite pro-active when it comes to driving in general - I've twice reported things i.e. driver going the wrong way on a dual-carriageway and they've been dealt with swiftly and decisively while people in other areas have talked about doing similar and getting zero interest from the police.
Sent my NIP form back three weeks ago for doing 39 in a 30 zone and got a SAC offer, this was on Derby street, Bolton so GMP.
£90 and they provide refreshments, bargain
Must be luck of the draw.
Phone in saying you're in lockdown and do it remotely
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Phone in saying you're in lockdown and do it remotely
Yeah, read that. You need a webcam so they can monitor you
Test centre is only 10-15mins away.Yeah, read that. You need a webcam so they can monitor you
Pfft. Record yourself looking bored for 5 mins and play it in a loop using a webcam spoofing program.
Then minimize and do some gaming.