Speeding notice

SonicSW20 said:
Are you suggesting that Police shouldn't have to follow the law because OP was speeding?


Some information on the NIP can be incorrect and corrected later, but only information that is not critical to the alleged offence. The NIP is essentially asking the RK who was driving the car on a specific date / time. If that date information is incorrect how can OP supply the correct information?
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Well tbf if op wasn't speeding wouldn't be in this situation would they?

I understand people (myself included) may get to 33 and think ******** and slow down but nearing to 40 clearly either didn't notice or not aware of limit on the road.

If he is told within 2 weeks or 2 months and the evidence shows 100% was speeding what's difference does the time frame make? Nothing at all.
 
Mark1989 said:
Well tbf if op wasn't speeding wouldn't be in this situation would they?

I understand people (myself included) may get to 33 and think ******** and slow down but nearing to 40 clearly either didn't notice or not aware of limit on the road.

If he is told within 2 weeks or 2 months and the evidence shows 100% was speeding what's difference does the time frame make? Nothing at all.
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So it's acceptable to drive at 33mph in a 30 zone, is that what you're saying?

Are you honestly saying you've never driven at 35mph for instance, in a 30 mph zone?
 
smr said:
Arrived in this morning's post. 37 in a 30 zone. Speeding date was the 12th March, letter received today and letter dated April 28th. Can I reject it as it's not within the two week time limit ?
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If you've got the V5C in front of you and all the details are correct, check the DOC Ref date - assuming this is dated prior to your speeding offence.
It's highly unusual for a NIP to arrive late - unless you're David Beckham with a friend at the motor dealership.

You still need to respond to the S172 request or else you commit a different offence.
 
smr said:
So it's acceptable to drive at 33mph in a 30 zone, is that what you're saying?

Are you honestly saying you've never driven at 35mph for instance, in a 30 mph zone?
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No not at all, if I got a fine for it I'd accept it and pay it.

If you read what I put I stated I know for a fact there is times I've been over hence why I said myself included

What I wouldn't do is look for a way to get out of paying if if there is clear evidence showing I was speeding.

I don't know the exact ruling but I think they do allow a percentage over the limit but I couldn't tell you what that is.
 
Mark1989 said:
No not at all, if I got a fine for it I'd accept it and pay it.

If you read what I put I stated I know for a fact there is times I've been over hence why I said myself included

What I wouldn't do is look for a way to get out of paying if if there is clear evidence showing I was speeding.

I don't know the exact ruling but I think they do allow a percentage over the limit but I couldn't tell you what that is.
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The law applies to us and them equally. Police have to serve the NIP legally. In this case, it seems they did not. Too right that OP should tell them to fall back.
 
smr said:
49 days ago...
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Yeah, that is not an acceptable amount of time to serve an NIP.

UK lockdown began on the 23rd March, some 11 days after the offence took place. And let's not forget - it's not like the postal system has stopped! I've been regularly letters/parcels through over the past 6 weeks. I had 2 items which took 13 days to be delivered, but everything else has been delivered within 3-4 days.

Had the NIP reached you on the 15-16th day and it was whilst we were in the middle of a proper full lockdown (like we are now), i'd say you'd probably just have to wear it, but 49 days?! Nah. I would recommend emailing the Central Ticket Office that issued it (details should be on the NIP) saying that this is well beyond the 14 days to serve an NIP and I'd imagine they'll cancel it.
 
Mark1989 said:
No not at all, if I got a fine for it I'd accept it and pay it.

If you read what I put I stated I know for a fact there is times I've been over hence why I said myself included

What I wouldn't do is look for a way to get out of paying if if there is clear evidence showing I was speeding.

I don't know the exact ruling but I think they do allow a percentage over the limit but I couldn't tell you what that is.
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Right, so allow me to play Devil's Advocate here... if you had for instance, 9 points on your driving license, and you got an NIP for speeding 35 in a 30 zone, but the NIP was delivered and dated 2 months after said date, you wouldn't contest it as invalid given it's breached the 14 days Notice written into the Road Traffic Offences Act in black and white? You'd rather be banned from driving for 2 years or whatever it is ?

Actually that's a pretty bad example, if you had 9 points and you'd got a speeding ticket you should probably take a break from driving for a bit. But still, raises the question, why is there a two week time limit and not two months?
 
Its 14 days because that is a reasonable balance between enough time for the police to send a NIP to the RK, and a reasonable period for the RK to honestly remember who was driving at that time. If you have no records of who was driving on a specific day / time, would you really remember who was driving at that time 2 months ago when there's multiple family members who can legally drive that car? Probably not.
 
SonicSW20 said:
Its 14 days because that is a reasonable balance between enough time for the police to send a NIP to the RK, and a reasonable period for the RK to honestly remember who was driving at that time. If you have no records of who was driving on a specific day / time, would you really remember who was driving at that time 2 months ago when there's multiple family members who can legally drive that car? Probably not.
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So can you get away with it full stop if your registered with something memory related my dad can't remember yesterday never mind 2 weeks ago?
 
SonicSW20 said:
No, don't be silly.
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Why is it silly if the argument the 14 days exists is you can't reasonably remember anything past 14 days. Then someone with Alzheimer's can't reasonably be expected to remember yesterday for instance.
Therefore getting a NIP after 14 days should still stand.

I bet the same people that do this are the same people that complain about big companies avoiding paying tax. Same thing.
 
Mark1989 said:
Or maybe don't speed in the first place?
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+1 on that.
Doesn't sound like it was by accident.
It's not even just about the speed of his own vehicle, but also the example it sets for other muppets out there.
And before you ask, no, I don't speed.
 
robj20 said:
Why is it silly if the argument the 14 days exists is you can't reasonably remember anything past 14 days. Then someone with Alzheimer's can't reasonably be expected to remember yesterday for instance.
Therefore getting a NIP after 14 days should still stand.
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If someone's Alzheimers has progressed to the point where they cannot remember yesterday, then they shouldn't be driving and I would expect they would lose their licence on medical grounds anyway.

There is no exception in law for this, to suggest there should be is silly, though I suppose you are just playing devils advocate.
 
robj20 said:
Why is it silly if the argument the 14 days exists is you can't reasonably remember anything past 14 days. Then someone with Alzheimer's can't reasonably be expected to remember yesterday for instance.
Therefore getting a NIP after 14 days should still stand.

I bet the same people that do this are the same people that complain about big companies avoiding paying tax. Same thing.
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So taking to extremes. your vehicle was caught on fixed camera 21st june 2016. can you tell us who was driving
 
Mr_Sukebe said:
+1 on that.
Doesn't sound like it was by accident.
It's not even just about the speed of his own vehicle, but also the example it sets for other muppets out there.
And before you ask, no, I don't speed.
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If you drive for let's say 50 years, and you drove an average of let's say 15-20 thousand miles per year for work during those years, you're telling me that there would be at least one person who never went over the speed limit not even once in all those years? Not having that at all. Everyone has been over the speed limit at some point,whether that's 90 on a motorway or 33mph in a 30 zone.
 
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