Stacking radiators

[JonJ678]

Funny, my feser xchanger is definitely 60mm thick. Just measured to check.

Thank you for your faith

As long as your cpu socket is in roughly the same place as mine it'll all be fine. As a worst case scenario you could always attach them both outside the case. I look forward to seeing the next stage in your build

 

[wolvers]

Funny, my feser xchanger is definitely 60mm thick. Just measured to check.

I think they've spaced the fan mountings away from the core.

 

[JonJ678]

There's a built in shroud of sorts, with perhaps 4mm clearance between fins and casing. I'm not crafty enough to measure that with a rule though, 60mm is the gross outer diameter. I wonder if they changed their design at some point.

 

[wolvers]

I wonder if they changed their design at some point.

Yeah, that's what I meant. I think they have as I found one site listing them as 'new 15mm spacing'. Everywhere has them as 75mm deep too, including their own site.

 

[JonJ678]

Well that sucks a bit, I'd much rather have 75mm thick ones. Apologies man

edit: as it appears the core has remained the same thickness, I'm now pleased to have the 62mm version.

 

[shadowscotland]

First issue was 62mm thick - looks like the newer ones are now 75mm with an increased 'built-in' shoud as standard.
A few site still have the 62mm available (mostly in the USA)

It's odd that the extra width has not had a PR push, or decription update...
The cynic in me thinks it's made next to no differance as I thought you needed a minimum of 25mm.
off to see if their are any test data on these.

Edit: been 75mm for ages it seams - at least since sept of last year!
the 15mm is between neighbouring fan mounting holes.

 

[wolvers]

Just makes them the same as the Thermochill rads too.

 

[DavyBoy]

Thermochill rads are only 60mm.

 

[JonJ678]

I can find sod all about this online, test date or otherwise. I'm inclined to feel that any shroud is better than none, but the 60mm with a 25mm shroud either side will be better than the 75mm one. If however the core is thicker, that's very exciting.

Feser's website is definitely not netbook friendly though.

 

[shadowscotland]

JonJ - I'm guessing your xchanger was one of the first (the early reviews say they are 62mm deep)
But forum search say they are 75mm (March 08 onwards it seams)
Core is same size, fan clearance now around 10mm each side (guess based on high res images)

Does you have 17mm fan hole spacing as well?

 

[wolvers]

Thermochill rads are only 60mm.

You're right they are. I assumed they'd be deeper as they are now listed as having 15mm spacing. So they've just made the core smaller, that seems a bit stupid!

I can find sod all about this online, test date or otherwise. I'm inclined to feel that any shroud is better than none, but the 60mm with a 25mm shroud either side will be better than the 75mm one. If however the core is thicker, that's very exciting.

Feser's website is definitely not netbook friendly though.

No, it's just extra fan spacing.

 

[JonJ678]

Does you have 17mm fan hole spacing as well?

Nope, 15mm spacing on the 240. The other two are 120's so n/a. When I bought the double (MM) feser were changing over from 17mm spacing to 15mm, so I suppose the new 75mm ones are at least third gen.

I admit I'm not interested in a compulsory shroud, all that achieves is limiting where people can fit them. I don't mind the 4mm one too much as it stops me forcing screws into the pipes, but 10 is too much. Who knew I'd care so much about 6mm

I thought that about the thermochills too. Bleed screw removed, fin area decreased. Both look suspiciously like budgeting at the expense of the end user by the new owners, XSPC.

 

[shadowscotland]

I think we are mixing up two different dim's here.

The x-changer were 62mm deep (approx 4+54+4) outside edge/core/outside edge
now 75mm (approx 10+54+10) outside edge/core/outside edge.

The 15mm is the distance between adjointing fan mounts. And 15mm is now the 'standard' for grill and cases.

The new 15mm PA is shorter than the old spacing was.
The new PA120.3 is 405mm (25mm shorter than the old one @ 430mm)
And yes that make the core smaller - but increased market compatability.
the new PA also lost it's bleed screw - that was a blessing (fill/empty) and a curse (leak)

Edit: slow typer sorry - looks like it's just me thinking we are getting cross wires.
Yes XSPC are cutting costs (a little) but watercooling is entering the main stream now and where I have no problem in drilling
new holes in my case to fit the 'best'. others, who want the 'look' will not accept unsightly holes

Edit: and any way 140.x is the new 'extreme' rad so 120mm fan spacing are pointless for the 'best of the best' boys and their toys
sorry - bad day

 

[JonJ678]

I'll only rate 140mm radiators when a fan comes out for them that rivals the 120mm san ace.

Don't think there's any confusion over the dimensions, but I haven't been very clear at all. Glad you worked out what I was going on about in the end.

Leaking bleed screw is a good point. It also protrudes from the casing which annoys me a bit. It's probably possible to get a grub screw with the right thread, dip it in loctite then screw it in where the bleed screw currently sits. Once it's set it'll be watertight and not stick out. Perhaps I'm just bitter because I'm yet to use a bleed screw successfully and it really shouldn't be so difficult.

Cheer up boss, day can only get better from 5pm onwards.

 

[shadowscotland]

True - should be adding a gpu block to my loop tonight - the passive card was way over 90c last night after some light gaming.

Hear lots of good things about the san ace - but having a fan on a rad just seam wrong to me
So will stick with my 25mm of Noiseblocker goodness as that all you need for a case fan.

Looking forward to some pic's when the RX120 arrives

 

[wolvers]

Well I made a bit of a **** up of the order for the rad. I added a fanmate to it but failed to notice that they weren't in stock so OcUK never sent out the order and I didn't get it in time for the weekend.

They've removed the fanmate and it's now on it's way so hopefully I'll get it installed tomorrow night, which works out well as Mrs Wolvers will be out! Looking at it yesterday, I'm fairly confident that the rad will fit though.

I will be stuck with the Noctua for now though as the fanmate was so that I could use a faster fan that I have and tune it to minimize noise with maximum flow. Nevermind, that's for another day then.

 

[wolvers]

The rad has arrived and it looks like it will fit. I just need to change the ports around on the GPU block and it should slot in that gap nicely.

The core is identical to the Xchanger with the same number of rows and fin density.

I'm going to give it an over night clean with vinegar and then strip the loop to install it later in the week.

 

[shadowscotland]

not over night! - 2hours and a good shake is more than enough.
the newer flux not like the old stuff - a simple flush with hot water is usually enough

 

[DavyBoy]

Wolvers, sorry if it has alreay been mentioned in this thread, but what tubing is that you are using?

 

[wolvers]

not over night! - 2hours and a good shake is more than enough.
the newer flux not like the old stuff - a simple flush with hot water is usually enough

Haha, yeah. I remember now, when I did the last ones, that they were pretty clean to start with. Not like the rads used to be. I drained it this morning and it came out pretty clean, but with a fair bit of crud in the bottom so it's still worth doing IMO.

Wolvers, sorry if it has alreay been mentioned in this thread, but what tubing is that you are using?

It's Swiftech Norprene 3/8 that comes with their kits. I use it as it's very thin walled and can do tighter bends without kinking which makes it more suitable to smaller cases. It's more expensive though and only comes in one length.