Starlink - anyone using it?

You can't invest billions and billions with a target distant areas - villages and the like.
How many people are there and how many who are there will be spending on Starlink?!
I hope none!

Its purpose has nothing to do with internet connectivity.

It's going to go bankrupt.
 
Why do you think that? Elon Musk has time and time again proven doubters wrong.

I am not a doubter in that generic sense.
Everyone with at least a little bit more logic knows that there is no hope for satellite internet connectivity.
It's expensive, slow, has high latency, and has more disadvantages than any meaningful advantages.

Just no!
 
I wouldn't define 300 Mbps and 20 ms slow or high latency. Sure, it's not as good as a proper fibre, cable or ethernet line however it's significantly better than ADSL and also far, far cheaper than a leased line or on demand fibre.
 
lol That is a speed when you are the only person who is connected to the network. If a thousand more people connect, it will fall by 1000.
 
The amount they are asking for starlink also isn’t an out of step with traditional internet in the USA. Have you seen how much they pay for FTTC and trash Like ADSL, let alone proper fibre.
 
Everyone with at least a little bit more logic knows that there is no hope for satellite internet connectivity.
It's expensive......

I think you have a very UK centric view of the internet market. The UK broadband market, while not at the cutting edge of technology, is amongst the cheapest places to get online. As pointed out, in the USA it's not uncommon to pay $50+/mo for ADSL with data caps so $89/mo for unlimited at 150/50 represents a significant improvement for many for a moderate price increase.


It's not really that slow is it? 150/50 is twice as fast as standard FTTC VDSL. Last report I looked at had only 22 countries in the world where >10% of homes had access to a full fibre product. That leaves some significant market share to still be able to penetrate with one's slow satellite system.

high latency

20ms latency from LEO systems is more than adequate for anyone other than elite gamers I would think so I don't think latency is a problem for the majority of users.

has more disadvantages than any meaningful advantages

Here's the killer advantage - to be able to receive it you only need electricity and to be able to see the sky (plus the money to pay for it I guess!). In densely populated 'small' countries with large proportions of urban dwelling and high concentrations of cellphone towers I'd agree it may have less relevance so it might not become the dominant service provider in the UK, Japan, Singapore etc. but for vast countries and continents it'll be a game changer if it works.

It's going to go bankrupt.

Maybe Musk will go bust but Amazon are getting in the game and even the UK Government & Richard Branson (OneWeb). Certainly if I had to place a bet on who is going to get me gigabit broadband here in the countryside first, OpenReach, some 5G cell tower or Musk, I'd stick a fiver on Musk!

You can't invest billions and billions with a target distant areas - villages and the like. How many people are there and how many who are there will be spending on Starlink?!

How many people might be in this addressable global market? Hundreds of millions I would think but I'm not an expert admittedly. Reach a critical mass with the rich paying subscribers on remote Texan oil ranches and you can subsidise the farmers of rural India and continue to grow your market share and make money. Netflix, Spotify, youtube etc. all do the same with their business models - go get yourself a Turkish VPN end point and see how much less you'll pay for Netflix. When you're playing on a global stage then if you can get enough subscribers paying a premium you then charge less in other territories for the same product because there's comparatively little incremental cost. A truly global audience with one consistent product has been mainly the preserve of software solutions to date, particularly internet based ones because the internet is a 'free' global distribution network. Maybe one could argue the case that McDonalds have gotten pretty close, but if someone can do it with the internet itself..... well that's a money maker.
 
Remember folks, this isn't for people in a city. It's for people on a farm 10 miles road away from some other house where they can't get a direct line.

Use your heads.

Eh? In a lot (probably approaching the majority) of England they are some of the best connected places due to BDUK funding has got them FTTP faster than most others. Openreach provided areas almost all switched 3 years ago for their BDUK rollout to be near enough all FTTP which coincided with the change to the minimum to be 30mbps. Its also some of the more rural counties that are the most advanced e.g. North Yorkshire is on there 5th round of BDUK contracts, largely due to high uptake of the original rounds meant most of the original money keeps getting reinvested.

Its a completely different story in Scotland, and some counties in England where they have messed up. While Wales is really just not throwing enough money at the problem, and was largely using EU funding to get the little it was done, so is now likely to stuggle getting it expanded, so a lot of the more rural parts of Wales could really do with Starlink, but given how poor they are would never be able to afford it.

Also in England there are lots of WISP (Wireless ISP's) that cover most of the rural parts of England, and have been used to cover the more wealthy 'have not' spots already.
 
I am not a doubter in that generic sense.
Everyone with at least a little bit more logic knows that there is no hope for satellite internet connectivity.
It's expensive, slow, has high latency, and has more disadvantages than any meaningful advantages.

Just no!
This is rubbish. I've seen you post some pretty questionable stuff on CPU threads, but here you're just spouting nonsense. Why do it?
 
I think you have a very UK centric view of the internet market. The UK broadband market, while not at the cutting edge of technology, is amongst the cheapest places to get online. As pointed out, in the USA it's not uncommon to pay $50+/mo for ADSL with data caps so $89/mo for unlimited at 150/50 represents a significant improvement for many for a moderate price increase.

For $89/mo I am getting 1 Gbps from many suppliers :D
With ping ~1-4-5ms.
 
Hmmm... I think the point is that not everyone can get that.

I disagree. The land optic cables networks only develop. If one's village has no such a cable, they need to ask for a development plan.
It's much cheaper than throwing billions in the space for satellites which have short life.

Also, not everyone wants an ugly satellite dish.
 
I use 4G at my place at Rannoch as I can only get around 3mbps with Bt etc. I get 50 with EE 4G and it’s unlimited.

Where I am now - I currently get around 20-30Mbit/s down and 10-15Mbit/s up on 4G during the day - last few nights it has hit 44Mbit/s down during the quietest time, BT FTTC connection is 30 down 5-6 up and we are lucky to have that. With multiple people and working from home, etc. we need everything we can get so Starlink is a serious consideration.

I'm lucky as well - some of the houses around here have only 3Mbit ADSL and maybe get 5-6Mbit on 4G at best - with 2.5km distance and no line of sight to the nearest mobile phone mast I'm surprised we get the speeds on 4G we do.

One of the few things I miss from living in a larger town with multiple full speed fibre connections on tap.

I disagree. The land optic cables networks only develop. If one's village has no such a cable, they need to ask for a development plan.
It's much cheaper than throwing billions in the space for satellites which have short life.

Also, not everyone wants an ugly satellite dish.

I live in an area where the average house price is north of a million (largely a retirement area and/or farms), there are people who have a fair bit of money interested in better internet connectivity but getting anything in motion, any time soon, is proving difficult - short of anyone actually throwing a cool million at it no one is really interested in provisioning here any time soon.
 
I disagree. The land optic cables networks only develop. If one's village has no such a cable, they need to ask for a development plan.
It's much cheaper than throwing billions in the space for satellites which have short life.

Also, not everyone wants an ugly satellite dish.

I'm really not sure there's much to disagree about. My mate lives on a farm, rubbish internet, rubbish mobile signal. He can get FTTP-od, but he's been quoted £12k to run a cable to his cottage. There's no way he'll pay that, so this is a nice alternative and he doesn't mind having a satellite dish installed to get it.

I'm not sure what your huge issue with this is, what do you care how people get their internet?
 
I'm lucky as well - some of the houses around here have only 3Mbit ADSL and maybe get 5-6Mbit on 4G at best - with 2.5km distance and no line of sight to the nearest mobile phone mast I'm surprised we get the speeds on 4G we do.

If that's the case, sticking a nice Omni directional external antenna with a decent Cat 12+ LTE modem would probably see you in the high 80's or maybe even in the 100's depending on your SIM provider.

Might be worth looking at if you are going to chose Starlink, since you'd get all the kit, router/model, antenna and cable for less than the starter kit, and if you get an Antenna with 5G bands included, you could take advantage of that when it is eventuality rolled out in you area in 1,2 ,3 years time.
 
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