Steam ban

Swifty55 · 2 Nov 2011 at 13:34

Hixxy said:
you really don't see the big picture do you.

I see it clearly, perhaps you'd like to share yours though?

Hairybudda · 2 Nov 2011 at 13:37

rs1800 said:
I've always wondered what would happen if anyone really invented a 'star trek' replicator. People would go ballistic claiming it was stealing everything it produced yet it would be a massive benefit to society. It could even feed the 3rd world but I suppose food producers would say it was stealing.

It would level the playing field a lot, provided it wasn't only accessible to those in positions of wealth/power/authority already. As you can probably understand, losing grip of something and being forced to change tends to make people do irrational things.

Hixxy said:
na go back to wherever i'm not giving you a free lesson.

Wish this forum had a facepalm emoticon D:

Hixxy · 2 Nov 2011 at 13:39

Swifty55 said:
I see it clearly, perhaps you'd like to share yours though?

na go back to wherever i'm not giving you a free lesson.

edit: i do feel sorry for the younger generation because they don't know any beter. being force fed with ***** all the time makes you think it's ok to put up with it.

Swifty55 · 2 Nov 2011 at 13:49

Hixxy said:
na go back to wherever i'm not giving you a free lesson.

edit: i do feel sorry for the younger generation because they don't know any beter. being force fed with ***** all the time makes you think it's ok to put up with it.

Oh dear.

Hixxy · 2 Nov 2011 at 13:54

Swifty55 said:
Oh dear.

like i said ignore feature needed.

elmarko · 2 Nov 2011 at 13:55

Linkex said:
Are you planning to present anything to back up your view, or are we just meant to take your word for it? I would love to know how you consider an act that takes something away from someone is the same as an act that dosen't.

I find it interesting that every time I enter a debate on this subject people always throw the "Its scummy and immoral" argument at me. I didn't say it wasn't (I'm not saying it is either mind you). That isn't my point and I never said it was.

My point is that you are saying people deserve to be punished for this "crime" by having their steam accounts banned. This is presumably in addition to the legal repercussions that could/should be brought by the law (Or are you saying this should be the punishment metered out by the courts? Frankly its much better than what we are currently seeing), so if we take the legal side out of the equasion, my example stands. You don't like pirates (you think they are scummyO and think thier accounts should be banned. So why can't my objection to your post get your steam account banned? Say I think your post is scummy?

p.s. - I don't think its scummy by the way, I'm just trying to make a point

It's not a moral issue, people who call it immoral are just stupid.

The act of replicating data alone causes no intrinsic harm, so it's not a moral issue.

It's the same kind of stupidity that classify's homosexuality as a "moral issue" when in reality no evidence exists that proves that homosexual relationships cause more harm than heterosexual ones.

Downloading is the duplication of data, as is mentioned nobody is being deprived of anything - lost potential earnings can't be proved.

edscdk · 2 Nov 2011 at 13:55

megatron said:
I think you'd be wrong.

+1 what righ do they have to search your hard drive, they also ahve to recoganise its cracked some how...

Hairybudda · 2 Nov 2011 at 13:55

Hixxy said:
like i said ignore feature needed.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/profile.php?do=ignorelist

elmarko · 2 Nov 2011 at 13:56

rs1800 said:
I've never really thought about this much before but your right. Its pretty obvious that copying something is not the same as stealing it.

What would happen if anyone really invented a 'star trek' replicator. People would go ballistic claiming it was stealing everything it produced yet it would be a massive benefit to society. It could even feed the 3rd world but I suppose food producers would say it was stealing.

Great point.

Witcher1979 · 2 Nov 2011 at 14:02

I have been known to try before I buy. I see nothing wrong with it as long as you delete it if you don't like it and buy it if you do.

genan · 2 Nov 2011 at 14:04

franco_22 said:
I agree. This is one of the main reasons most people pirate, because 9 out of 10 games right now are utter trash that isn't worth £30-50.

If it`s trash why do you pirate it?

Hixxy · 2 Nov 2011 at 14:05

voorhees1979 said:
I have been known to try before I buy. I see nothing wrong with it as long as you delete it if you don't like it and buy it if you do.

so have when i pirated games. can you honestly say you bought every game you liked or did you just jump on the next download with the intention of buying the game, forget and play some more?

Swifty55 · 2 Nov 2011 at 14:06

voorhees1979 said:
I have been known to try before I buy. I see nothing wrong with it as long as you delete it if you don't like it and buy it if you do.

Indeed, I don't think it would be half as bad if you were able to buy the game and return it if you didn't like it. Something like the DSR for products.

I know there would be problems but the way PC gaming is - buying anything to do with a serial key is non refundable and usually entices the pirating.

Swifty55 · 2 Nov 2011 at 14:07

genan said:
If it`s trash why do you pirate it?

You pirate it so you don't waste the money. No one truly knows if a game is trash until you've played it.

Witcher1979 · 2 Nov 2011 at 14:09

Hixxy said:
so have when i pirated games. can you honestly say you bought every game you liked or did you just jump on the next download with the intention of buying the game and play some more?

Yes I have bought every game I like , but I can see some people would download and keep. Everygame on my HDD is paid for, heck I pre-order big titles. But for games I am unsure about I will try it, if I hate it I will remove it. I hate piracy where people download play/finish. If I am going to play a game I will buy. I can tell if I like a game after 10-15 mins then it goes in the trash can. If I like it after 10 mins I will google for a good deal online. I support PC gaming to the fact that if I like it, you get my money. If I don't like it, the makers won't get my money. But I won't take the p*** and play it anyway.

Hixxy · 2 Nov 2011 at 14:14

ill admit it now i see games come up on steam that i buy that ive completed, great games.

it's not the makers (devs) taking the ****, can't you see the difference between devs and blood suckers?