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Steam Box Self Build

Have you read through the posts or just seen "steam box" then spec lists? If you bother reading through the posts the op goes on to say it'll be used "like a proper PC with windows operating system".
You might want to get off the drugs you're accusing the rest of here of taking :p

Been thinking on what you said, and using it like a proper pc with windows operating system on it. Ive decided that would be the best like you said you get more out of it then.

But i want to keep it as small as possible nice and compact, so thinking of using a BitFenix ​​Prodigy.

The games i am planning on playing are witcher 3, Watchdogs, Rambo, Diablo, Will that graphics card above be ok to play them, or would you get something better ?

For the sake of clarity.
 
Also the main use for steam os, well for me at least, is the game streaming. If I have my main gaming rig upstairs running windows, with all my steam games on, my cheap little steam box in the lounge which will probably have an amd apu inside will be able to stream any game from my steam library to my tv, using my main gaming rigs hardware, whilst also acting as a media server etc. to me there is no need for a steam box if you already have a good gaming rig, I trust steam will iron out any issues with game streaming and it will be great.

My advice here is build yourself a dedicated gaming rig, once steam os gets rolled out and there is more support for different hardware you might only have to spend a few hundred on a steam box. This way you can have a dedicated gamer right now.
 
Also the main use for steam os, well for me at least, is the game streaming. If I have my main gaming rig upstairs running windows, with all my steam games on, my cheap little steam box in the lounge which will probably have an amd apu inside will be able to stream any game from my steam library to my tv, using my main gaming rigs hardware, whilst also acting as a media server etc. to me there is no need for a steam box if you already have a good gaming rig, I trust steam will iron out any issues with game streaming and it will be great.

My advice here is build yourself a dedicated gaming rig, once steam os gets rolled out and there is more support for different hardware you might only have to spend a few hundred on a steam box. This way you can have a dedicated gamer right now.

if steam boxes don't sell for silly prices i will buy one just because i feel valve deserves my money more than all the other companys like M£ ect ect.

certain companys like COD M£ no longer get any money from me as they're just pure greedy.
 
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if steam boxes don't sell for silly prices i will buy one just because i feel valve deserves my money more than all the other companys like M£ ect ect.

certain companys like COD M£ no longer get any money from me as they're just pure greedy.
This will be the same Steam who charges you full price for games and then DRMs them so you can't share them with friends, sell them on or buy them second hand... I see...
 
This will be the same Steam who charges you full price for games and then DRMs them so you can't share them with friends, sell them on or buy them second hand... I see...

Steam games...


Full price.... :confused:

Nope, I'm lost :D

And I seem to recall steam have a thing called "Family Sharing" which should be out soonish (currently in Beta).
 
This will be the same Steam who charges you full price for games and then DRMs them so you can't share them with friends, sell them on or buy them second hand... I see...

you are kidding right?.

i can 100% promise you that you will find more 4 year old games still full price on consoles than you ever will on steam,the consoles hardly ever update their library/prices.

steam is the cheapest of all gaming systems and that in its self deserves my money.

can't remember the last time i sold a second hand pc game or borrowed to a freind.my freinds want the game i own? they just buy them so we can play them together
 
Or get your games at gog.com if you are into older stuff ( not quite so old as you may find there ).
They have some nice dosbox editions for close to nothing :-)
 
i can 100% promise you that you will find more 4 year old games still full price on consoles than you ever will on steam,the consoles hardly ever update their library/prices.

That'd be a pretty silly bet, considering Steam's library is vastly larger. Sony and MS are being a lot more competitive with regards to price drops, sales etc these days anyway.

steam is the cheapest of all gaming systems and that in its self deserves my money.

It's almost always cheaper to buy a PC game from elsewhere and activate it on Steam, than it is to buy it via Steam directly. The only exception is the Steam sales and even they seem to be less impressive in recent years.
 
you are kidding right?.

i can 100% promise you that you will find more 4 year old games still full price on consoles than you ever will on steam,the consoles hardly ever update their library/prices.

steam is the cheapest of all gaming systems and that in its self deserves my money.

can't remember the last time i sold a second hand pc game or borrowed to a freind.my freinds want the game i own? they just buy them so we can play them together
But this is a PC we're talking about, how many 4 year old PC games do you buy at full price outside of Steam?

Most games are bought pretty close tot he release window unless there is a substantial "sale" discount later so you could:

a)Buy the game through Game/Amazon/Play/Tesco/Wherever, play it, sell it second hand for a reasonable amount of even give it to a friend to play once you're finished.

b)Wait a couple of weeks past release of a game and buy it second hand at a substantial discount

c)Buy it from Steam on release, pay full RRP and then have it DRMd up to the eyeballs so you can't give it away or sell it on second hand.

d)Rely on SteamOS so you have an even smaller selection of games, all DRM'd and locked into Valve.

Why wouldn't you just run Windows on the PC and have a choice of where/who you buy a much wider range of games from and save money?
 
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And I seem to recall steam have a thing called "Family Sharing" which should be out soonish (currently in Beta).
Apparently so although you cannot be logged into Steam whilst your friend plays your game. Nope, not even in a different game, if you're playing a game you have in Steam no one else can play anything so functionally pretty useless you live in different time zones i'm afraid. :( Better than nothing though I agree, can't help but think they saw MS original plans for XBox One and copied them. Seems somewhat ironic that the PC community are more accepting of heavy weight DRM than the console gamers, traditionally it's been the other way around.
 
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But this is a PC we're talking about, how many 4 year old PC games do you buy at full price?

a)Buy the game through Amazon, play it, sell it second hand for a reasonable amount of even give it to a friend to play once you're finished.

b)Wait a few weeks past release of a game and buy it second hand

c)Buy it from Steam on release, pay full RRP and then have it DRMd up to the eyeballs so you can't give it away or sell it on second hand.

d)Rely on SteamOS so you have a smaller selection of games, all DRM'd and locked into Valve.

Why wouldn't you just run Windows on the PC and have a choice of where/who you buy a much wider range of games from and save money?

You seem very anti-steam, and that's fine, but you seem to use it very differently to how I assume most people use it.

Steam has pretty much revived the dying PC gaming industry. You can buy a game and download it in minutes, no waiting for delivery or going into town to pick from the non-existant selection of PC games.

You can have your entire library on multiple PCs, updated automatically. No swapping DVDs, no scratched discs.

The price of new games at release is high but there is a huge range of bargains to be had. One sale and you can pick up enough games to last you for months for the price of a single console game.

You can't sell on games, this is true. Family sharing is coming though. but looks quite limited currently.

DRM'd upto the eyeballs is a bit of a fantasy, if you had to have an always on internet connection/fixed number of installs (Activision/Ubisoft) then you'd have a point.

And steam OS is free, you're not being forced to use it, you can dual boot, you can stick it on a modest HTPC rig in the lounge and stream from your gaming PC upstairs. It sounds pretty good to me!
 
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I'm not anti steam so much as I dislike Valves approach of using DRM to kill second hand sales and locking PC gamers into their propriety system with all that entails. Digital delivery is one thing, being locked into one dominating company with alll the associate DRM and requirements is quite another.

Yes Steam supports impulse buying, but then if I have a new release pre ordered I get it on day of release and often before Steam anyway. If I order a game from somewhere like Amazon it arrives tomorrow and will almost inevitably be cheaper than than buying it from Steam, and I can sell it when I'm finished with it.

Whilst the Steam sales is interesting it tends to be full of games I would never have bought in the first place. How many people buy a bunch of games in the Steam sale and then never play them (or play for 20mins). Yes there are some bargains but i wonder how often that is. I shudder when I look at my Steam library and see how many games on the list are even installed much less played :)

DRM'd up to the eyeballs is anything but a fantasy, I can't do anything with my games that I've paid for without having to use Steam. I can't sell or loan out the games i own. If I do something that upsets Valves T&Cs for some reason I can lose access to every single game I own with a Steam ban, irrespective of if whatever I did was in a single game. All without appeal to anyone other than Valve who carry out the ban in the first place. In additional to and EULA or conditions from the game publisher I now have to conform to a set of additional T&Cs that Valve impose if I want to continue to play the game I bought.

SteamOS is indeed free and an interesting idea to play around with but then if I can dual boot with Windows which gives me access to an order of magnitude more games with no locked in requirement to use Steam for them why would I chose the SteamOS option? There seems to be few reasons for using SteamOS beyond curiosity, perhaps with the exception that if I can afford two gaming PCs and I could Stream games from the Windows on to the Steam one because I can't get the game on SteamOS. Which then begs the question why not just run Windows on the second PC and have access to all the games (including Steam big Picture if i want to run it under a TV). I'll say if the streaming works well on a low powered PC like a laptop the ability to play games remote from my "gaming PC" might be interesting although the experience with Onlive suggests whilst the idea is interesting the practicalities end up leaving a lot to be desired. SHame about Onlive not seeeming to take off by the way, it really was/is an interesting take on PC gaming that deserved to succeed.

So no, I'm not "anti steam" per se, I've been a PC gamer since Playing Falcon AT in the late 80s (and the usual gaming computers before). Steam is fine way of buying games quickly and easily if you're prepared to take a hit on pricing usually. I just dislike the way that Valve is trying to turn the diverse PC gaming market into a another "console like" locked down DRMd market with one dominating company to rely on. SteamOS to me seems a very clear intention from Valve to want to "own" PC gaming as closed eco system like a console where they own the OS, games, and service from top to bottom.

Maybe that's the way PC gaming has to go but it seems a shame, if Steam is expensive now I dread to think what it will be like if they manage to push out the few remaining competitors. I have a sneaking suspicion we'll end up with £49.99+ console pricing. :(

it's not meant to be an "Anti Steam" moan as such, I use Steam and it's a great service in a lot of ways. I do think they need challenging a little though and the direction they are heading is a little concerning. /shrug
 
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Steam has done amazing things for PC Gaming, and Valve will likely be in my good books forever, the fact that steam OS is free pretty much makes it hard to criticise, it offers a function, for free.

I don't really know anyone that buys games full price on steam, as one or two months after release there's always a 50% discount available for awhile, and at the following winter/summer sale you'll likely find that same game 75% (or more) off of the original price.

The idea that steam games are expensive is pure fantasy, in fact i have found it is consistently the best way to get games at rock bottom prices. recently you could buy EVERY tomb raider game ever made, including the new one, for £8, try finding that in a high street store or on amazon.

also who 'sells' games?? i keep them and replay them in a few years, im not a console gamer and the idea of selling my games seems quite alien to me
 
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Depends on your gaming habbits I suppose. I tend to have long term on going gaming favourites and then shorter term games on release. It's rare I pick up a game months down the line as if I didn't like it enough to buy it on release i'm unlikely to want to buy it later even at half price (with a few exceptions of stuff I just missed or was too busy to play on release).

Just because Steam has sales and reduces prices sometimes doesn't make the fact that they are generally full price on release and in the immediate aftermath "a fantasy". £8 for a bunch of old games you'd be hard pushed to give away really doesn't seem much of a bargain to me unless you're a big tomb Raider fan but even then if I look at Steam today the Tomb Raider collection is £44.99, the same thing is on Amazon with free next day delivery for £14.99 and I could sell it once i'd finished with it. /shrug. GOG do great work on keeping games available without the evil empire attitude. :D

I'll grant you that Steam can be a way of getting older games at a decent price, but even that can be a bit dependent on timing.

Steam is a exceptionally good digital distribution platform, It just worries me a little where they are going, the restrictive DRM and that people even now are beginning to equate PC Gaming = Steam. Do we really want to end up with another DRM heavy console type ecosystem where the only place to buy or play games is via Valves services and only if you agree to their Terms and conditions on top of the publishers? At the very least it removes choice, if i decided I don't want to use valves product today for whatever reason (or they decide they want to ban me) I lose potentially every PC game I've bought in the last 5 years irrespective of if they are made by Valve or not. Doesn't seem particularly pro consumer or gamer to me.
 
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If you're going to build a SteamOS gaming PC I'd suggest you consider carefully picking the hardware so you have VT-d support.

What that does is allows you to run Xen Hypervisor or KVM, which are Virtual Machines, they allow full hardware acceleration using VGA passthrough inside the VM with the right hardware set up. The performance penalty is minimal (near 0% from what I've seen) and it basically allows you to run Windows, and Windows games inside the VM inside Linux.

There's a lot of good information here: http://forum.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=112013

A few notes on hardware set up:

The CPU, Motherboard and BIOS must support VT-d
Most recent Intel K chips do not. Some socket 2011 K chips do. 2011 Motherboards have better support than 1150 motherboards, but most ASRock Z87 boards fully support VT-d.


You need two GPUs. One for each OS.

AMD GPUs work well for VGA passthrough. Most (almost all) nVidia cards do not.


If you're building any kind of Linux box and have an intention of gaming, it'd be a poor decision to ignore the option of VGA passthrough when choosing your hardware.
 
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Wait a minute, will the IceQ 270x actually fit in the Prodigy? The cooler is identical to the 7950 IceQ and it's a 2.5 slot card. It looks to me like there isn't enough clearance in the prodify between the side panel and the card to fit it in.

I speak from experience here as someone who unsuccessfully tried to fit a 7950 IceQ into a Fractal Node 304 :)
 
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