steam games why expensive ?

Now, now, if you want to get personal I'm sure you can find plenty of other forums where you'll be more welcome. This is called a discussion thread, where people offer up different opinions without having to listen to people like you screaming in indignation because they don't like what they read.

You have to remember a couple of things: first of all, 'big corporations' don't need people defending them, deriding those who might want to pay less for the goods they sell. They are only at the mercy of the mighty dollar, so to speak. I've never understood why people are so unsympathetic with people wanting to pay less for goods. Certainly I can see why expectations are often unreasonable, but it's indefensible when one place charges twice as much as another place. I call that a rip off, you may want to defend their right to take advantage.

Secondly, I doubt that the amount you pay for the purchase of a game directly affects how much goes to the programming/design team. If you pay 15 quid for a game from Tesco, you don't seriously think that the programmers get paid less than if you paid £30 from Steam do you? Here's me thinking they'll get exactly the same, but that the retailer will get less per sale (and hope to make it up from higher volume).

I'm not getting personal, i'm offering my opinion on how i believe you formed your end of the discussion. I'm plenty welcome where I am, where I participate in plenty of other discussions based on my opinion and how they relate to those of everyone else in said conversation. Believe it or not, I don't always play devil's advocate, but you just happen to have picked up on something I disagree with. And since this is a forum welcoming of opinions, here I am, giving mine. Ironically, your offer to find me a different forum based on my reply, to you, is equal to my own apparent indignition. I'm sorry you don't like the style of my posts, however, if you want to enter discussions with people, you'll need to start appreciating that not everyone uses long words to make a point. But you already know all this. Now that you have everyone behind you, let's continue.

The defence of big corporations is perfectly acceptable given that so is the assault. If you feel that the only way to tackle the view a corporation is to jump on the mighty consumer badwagon and strike directly at it's green papery heart, then that's your call. I don't admire it, but it's a good thing you're not here for my admiration. You are here to listen to what I have to say about it though, because you just told me that. I understand that people might want to pay less for products, but that statement on it's own is technically incorrect. There is no uncertainty in it, really, so we may aswell remove the "might" from there altogether. Everybody want's something for nothing. Why pay more when we can pay less? This was proven just recently when Radiohead released their album for whatever price the consumer wanted, and the *vast* majority paid nothing at all. Given that, it doesn't matter at what price a product is labeled, the consumer will want to pay less. So you know, I will defend the big corporation. Because where do they draw the line? Of course they are in it to make a profit, and of course chief executives are penny squeezing thieves, but if they dont squeeze, they dont get. So yeah, i will defend it.

Right now we can see the biggest rip off's of all, and it isn't just one big mean corporation. It's christmas, stocks are running low and as a result, prices are soaring. I just saw a Nintendo DS for sale for £180. They were £100 2 weeks ago. But who made that decision? That was a small company too. Not family owned, they have a whole chain of outlets, but not a huge corporation. So should we hold a picket outside the Nintendo building? Yeah? Should we blame Nintendo because somebody somewhere else has decided to increase the prices? No, of course not. Because you will just buy the product for a more reasonable price elsewhere. So why is this different?

Am I now to believe that if a 3rd party retailer increases prices, then it's excusable on the developers part; but if that same 3rd party retailer was to reduce prices to below that of the developers own, then the developer is at fault? It's hardly exploitation.

And of course, you touch on this in your second point. If the 3rd Party retailer reduces his prices, indeed he wants to make up for it in volume of sales. Proportionately (although obviously not exactly so lets not be too literal) selling more goods for a lower price will end up in the same net profit as selling less for a higher price. It's your choice who you buy from in that rather vicious and frightening scenario. So why is the developer here being unfair? It's not like they're taking the role of Microsoft and forcing you to buy the products for lack of alternatives. Indeed completely the opposite. They send out their products for retailers to sell to you, the consumer, for whatever price the deem reasonable.

So why would you complain? What exactley is it that Valve have done wrong here? They have set a price, for a product that has it's benefits. Instant retrieval of said product, stored elsewhere, less packaging, less space used in your drawer, less CD keys to have to remember or write down somewhere safe. Of course it had it's drawbacks.

Then they produced a second product, in plastic boxes with paper books and CD keys and wasted space, the podsibility of scratching or even losing the CD. And you pay less for it. Make the choice.

I know which I would choose, and indeed, already have. Not because i'm a fanboi, but because it just makes sense to me. And it's not like i'm making threads about those nasty 3rd Party Retailers is it.
 
I much prefer buying and having the game on disc.

Valve have gotta maintain the servers, network and all associated running costs. So I reckon it's fair enough if they charge you a bit more for the pure convenience of downloading the games. As I've said I personally prefer getting them boxed from a shop/e-tailer.
 
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Its because idiots keep paying the stupid prices so they get away with it. I cant understand why people wont get the disks delivered when its cheaper plus you have a hard copy :confused: You can then install them and steam and have all the steam benefits

Its just stupid consumers that means they get away with it
 
Valve have gotta maintain the servers, network and all associated running costs. So I reckon it's fair enough if they charge you a bit more for the pure convenience of downloading the games. As I've said I personally prefer getting them boxed from a shop/e-tailer.

But that makes no sense. You buy the game from somewhere else, install it with steam, and bingo you can now download the game again through steam later without paying extra for downloading it in the first place!
 
If you feel that the only way to tackle the view a corporation is to jump on the mighty consumer badwagon and strike directly at it's green papery heart, then that's your call.

The thing is, I don't really care that much about the subject, which is why my initial post was a couple of lines long - a brief distraction while I drank my morning coffee before starting work. I pay my money or I don't. I don't spend a lot of time thinking about it since I only play WoW and log onto Steam perhaps once every 2 months. Your followup post piqued my interest a tad more which was why I spent a couple of minutes replying. I personally wasn't interested in the rest of your post here since, as I mentioned, it's not that important to me. Truth be told, I didn't even read it all. Perhaps others will get some value out of it though.
 
But that makes no sense. You buy the game from somewhere else, install it with steam, and bingo you can now download the game again through steam later without paying extra for downloading it in the first place!
Ah, right I see that now. If you reload windows and then reinstall Steam you could download every game from them without having to pay anything.
 
The thing is, I don't really care that much about the subject, which is why my initial post was a couple of lines long - a brief distraction while I drank my morning coffee before starting work. I pay my money or I don't. I don't spend a lot of time thinking about it since I only play WoW and log onto Steam perhaps once every 2 months. Your followup post piqued my interest a tad more which was why I spent a couple of minutes replying. I personally wasn't interested in the rest of your post here since, as I mentioned, it's not that important to me. Truth be told, I didn't even read it all. Perhaps others will get some value out of it though.

Then I hope you are entertained. Your input into this discussion has been exceptional, and I must say, very original. I trust my sarcasm needn't be explained. Honestly though, you're the same as the rest of the anonymous know-it-all's scattered around the forum world. You even adhere to the standard template: 1. Make a blanket, unsupported statement with the hope of general agreement. 2. Take offence to opposition, choosing to scale the moral high ground. 3. completely retreat from the discussion feigning innocence and/or general lack of care, taking a final swipe with the gentlemanly nonchalance to not lose face.

Thanks for joining in. I was humoured, if only for the 10 minutes i spent replying to you.
 
Ah, right I see that now. If you reload windows and then reinstall Steam you could download every game from them without having to pay anything.

That only applies to the (reliatively) few Valve games that use Steam for the retail versions as well. Originally this wasn't allowed - when you bought HL2 in the shops and activated it on Steam, you needed to use the disk each time you reinstalled or it wouldn't run. Because this put retail users at a disadvantage compared with those who bought online people complained and it was changed to make everyone equal.

For the majority of games on Steam (anything not published by Valve), you can't activate or download through Steam having bought the game offline.
 
You still have the huge inconvenience of using your BW to redownload everything if you had 10 steam games you'll be there for a month redownloading everything and some people nay a lot of people have download limits if anything it should be cheaper.
 
You still have the huge inconvenience of using your BW to redownload everything if you had 10 steam games you'll be there for a month redownloading everything and some people nay a lot of people have download limits if anything it should be cheaper.
you can backup your steam bought games to DVD-r's or a different harddrive...(this is what i do)

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Its because idiots keep paying the stupid prices so they get away with it. I cant understand why people wont get the disks delivered when its cheaper plus you have a hard copy :confused: You can then install them and steam and have all the steam benefits

Its just stupid consumers that means they get away with it

Am I an idiot for buying The Orange Box from Steam and was playing before most retail stores were even stocking the game? No, you're right--that does make me an idiot. :rolleyes:
 
The orange box is £18 delievered to your door you are looking at £18 alone for team fortress 2 this cannot be defended with any argument.
 
You still have the huge inconvenience of using your BW to redownload everything if you had 10 steam games you'll be there for a month redownloading everything and some people nay a lot of people have download limits if anything it should be cheaper.

yea but seriously who will be stupid enough to try and download all at once, surely you prioritise, and its hardly difficult to stick them on external like above says, or make a partition..
 
Spot on, considering the amount of users and games that STEAM currently supports the bandwidth costs must be astronomical!

Nowhere near as astronomical as the distribution costs of producing media and packaging, then shipping this to wholesalers, who then ship to retailers, who then ship to stores.
 
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Nowhere near as astronomical as the distribution costs of producing media and packaging, then shipping this to wholesalers, who then ship to retailers, who then ship to stores.

25p to make and package a DVD (according to some show i saw about chinese sweatshops).

Shipping via dedicated fleets like Stobart or your Logistics carrier of choice is not as high as you'd think either, given the weight of the product. You could fill a container and it still weigh less than a lot of products.
I'm not sure if prices on a boat are decided by weight or space though.
 
And to the person who said you can but games then activate them on steam, that only works with certain games and certainly not most.

The orange box is £18 delievered to your door you are looking at £18 alone for team fortress 2 this cannot be defended with any argument.
That's odd, I bought the Orange Box from Steam for £26 at the start of October \ end of December. Since you're comparing that price rather than the orange box price I must ask why.
 
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25p to make and package a DVD (according to some show i saw about chinese sweatshops).

Shipping via dedicated fleets like Stobart or your Logistics carrier of choice is not as high as you'd think either, given the weight of the product. You could fill a container and it still weigh less than a lot of products.
I'm not sure if prices on a boat are decided by weight or space though.

Packaging is a small part, you've got to heat the shops the games are in, pay rent, make a profit, pay the staff etc.
 
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