steam support for win 7-8 ending.

mrk said:
Windows 8 and that metro interface, I never upgraded my machine to 8 from 7, went right to 10 then 11. Metro was awful, 8 seemed too quirky like it was designed to be a tablet OS shoehorned as a desktop OS and I didn't like how it looked at me funny at work.

10/11 are fine, I see people having the same complaints about 11 now that people did for 10 back in the day too, and now look, folks are hailing 10 as the greatest. People will hail 11 as great once 12 is out just you wait and see. The cycle never ends.
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Windows 8 was designed with the notion of an OS which was uniform from Windows Phone through to desktop and every platform in between but instead of getting the best out of each platform using some kind of abstract layer they designed to the lowest common denominator which was usually the phone OS. Which is a shame because they did make some nice improvements within the kernel on 8.

Personally I can't ever see me hailing 10 or 11 as anything but utter trash*, it is just sad that they've managed to make 10 look better in contrast to 11 - I really hope 12 is an actual improvement but that will mean the developers pulling their heads out their arses and/or a whole new development team.


* Just one of many examples even after all this time there is no proper start menu/program group management features despite even Windows 3.xx having such.
 
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cainer said:
I'm still on Win 7 so will need to upgrade, is the free upgrade to 10 still available or should i go straight to Win 11?
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Even if it's not you can just install win11 anyway and never input a key.

you just get a small water mark in the bottom right hand corner and you also can't use any of the personalization settings.

get a really cheap cdkey from somewhere if you really want the "Full Version" that's what I did and I never had any issues
It's basically looks like an OS for tablets or smart phones if you don't customise the taskbar etc to make it look like older versions of windows though...

Really stupid design choice IMO, I doubt the people who remade the UI even use a windows computer
 
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How can you call 10 better looking! 10 doesn't even have a proper system dark theme and its task manager remains decades old in design and function whereas 11's has at least moved with the times and offers a lot more features.
 
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mrk said:
How can you call 10 better looking! 10 doesn't even have a proper system dark theme and its task manager remains decades old in design and function whereas 11's has at least moved with the times and offers a lot more features.
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I wasn't meaning better looking visually - I was meaning appearing better in terms of quality (or usability - one of my main complaints is they've moved things around which were an established way of doing things for decades and they were established that way for a reason) as a product.
 
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arknor said:
Really stupid design choice IMO, I doubt the people who remade the UI even use a windows computer
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I don't think MS understands the design language unfortunately - not sure if there was some kind of agreement involved but it is based heavily on someone else's work who had some really good ideas for how it would work. MS seems to have just slapped it in indiscriminately.
 
I use a stripped and debloated 11. Most of the telemetry is gone. The ease of access things are back from 10 too like right click menus, right click taskbar etc etc. Only used 1.2gb ram on boot too.
 
GlitterBalls said:
I use a stripped and debloated 11. Most of the telemetry is gone. The ease of access things are back from 10 too like right click menus, right click taskbar etc etc. Only used 1.2gb ram on boot too.
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Problem with this I find it can be a pain with updates, etc. forced automatic updates is a pants on head retarded idea but I do actively stay on top of updates for security reasons especially on my portable systems of which I run quite a few.
 
Rroff said:
Problem with this I find it can be a pain with updates, etc. forced automatic updates is a pants on head retarded idea but I do actively stay on top of updates for security reasons especially on my portable systems of which I run quite a few.
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Updates have been fine so far for me, nothing has broken or caused an issue. Really enjoying it.
 
GlitterBalls said:
Updates have been fine so far for me, nothing has broken or caused an issue. Really enjoying it.
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If you are using the regular Windows update sooner or later an update will be incompatible with the changes and/or updates will be undoing some of the debloating requiring redoing it.
 
GlitterBalls said:
Oh tell a lie, the 11 I am using has update disabled entirely. This is what I use: https://revi.cc/
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As I thought:

Using Windows Updates is not recommended, because it will revert tweaks, reinstall bloatware and cause setbacks with respect to privacy and other pre-applied features. In extreme cases, it could even break your OS.
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Very sad situation as if you do the kind of stuff I do then you really need software/tweaks like this to make Windows 10 or 11 remotely useful and then you are constantly fighting with future updates to keep it that way.
 
Rroff said:
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Very sad situation as if you do the kind of stuff I do then you really need software/tweaks like this to make Windows 10 or 11 remotely useful and then you are constantly fighting with future updates to keep it that way.
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Yeah it's a shame for people that need it, for me, I don't need updates really and this is perfect for my situation, I only use the rig for gaming/media consumption/Adobe apps/3DSMax.
 
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SkeeterUK said:
Im surprised there wasnt a topic about it since i think a lot of ppl still use win 7 and maybe 8 as well tho wasnt as popular. Just thought id post the topic incase anyone missed the news.
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Other than 1 person in this thread I'm curious who the loads of other people are that still use Win 7. The over 50s maybe?
 
For my personal systems I've never been an early adopter of new operating systems. I'm quite happy to wait a a few years for things to mature, but I'm not going to cling on for life or death either.

I'm still using W10 at the moment, I'll eventually move to W11 in a couple of years when I next do a full system upgrade.
 
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.Lethal said:
Other than 1 person in this thread I'm curious who the loads of other people are that still use Win 7. The over 50s maybe?
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The numbers are dropping but I still see a fair few people on 7. We've rolled a bunch of systems back to 7 at work as well - most of the more "stand alone" PCs situated in people's offices, etc. though most of the general purpose/shared systems are on 10.

Had a fun one the other night at work when a update conflict with a driver slipped through testing due to being caused by an obscure bug and I had to play IT support as the only IT person had gone home for the day and half the Windows 10 systems were instantly BSODing on start up - should have been paid extra LOL.
 
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I still have 3 active Windows 7 systems including the Xeon in my sig which I use the most for working on stuff, though I have a bunch of Windows 10 systems as well - though I'd put 7 on them if I could :s
 
Your PSA reminder that it's 2024 and Steam has officially ended support for Windows 7 and 8. You will no longer receive updates on these platforms. Your installed version of steam will likely still work for a while yet but at some point will break completely
 
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