Steve Jobs 1 year today tribute on Apple

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Hatter The Mad said:
Except that, since Jobs died:
  • The company is worth more
  • The company sells more
  • The company is more profitable
  • The company is, relatively, more ethical
  • Steve Jobs' hands-on work will reach at least the iPhone 6
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None of that means that Apple is going to continue to be as innovative as it was past anything but the short term. It's still just using momentum that Jobs gave it. Who, if anyone, will get out and push when Apple needs it?
 
Like I say, if you're old enough to remember, Bill Gates was just as much of a ruthless businessman and ******* as Jobs. But throw a bit of money at starving children or Africa and suddenly you're a saint.
 
OhEsEcks said:
One died and the other decided to buy his way out of the ******* reputation he'd made for himself and make himself slightly more important in history by doing charity work?
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Bill Gates as a person and not a CEO has never really had any negative reputation, unlike Steve Jobs.
 
OhEsEcks said:
Like I say, if you're old enough to remember, Bill Gates was just as much of a ruthless businessman and ******* as Jobs. But throw a bit of money at starving children or Africa and suddenly you're a saint.
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Ruthless Businessman yes (welcome to that world), did he harass and belittle employees the way Jobs did? Ive not heard of any instances of that going on.

As for a "bit of money" last i heard it was around 28 Billion plus, and most of his wealth after he dies is going to continue that work.
 
Hatter The Mad said:
If Steve Jobs didn't give anything of real value to mankind, then neither did Thomas Edison or Philo Farnsworth or Percy Spencer or Braun or Marconi or Jimmy Wales.

He wasn't just a 'tech company CEO', just like Bill Gates wasn't - they were both inventors and innovators.
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You compare what is essentially an entrepreneur (Steve Jobs didn't actually invent anything, his co-founder did) to a group of people who actually invented the items and the principles behind the products that they invented?

If anything the principle innovator and inventor at Apple was Steve Wozniak as he is responsible for the Apple Microcomputers that revolutionised home computing along with the IBM of course and Steve Jobs was an exceptional marketing man and aesthete, he did not contribute to the actual engineering or technical aspects of Apples products.

He certainly did not contribute anything that we can not do without or anything so revolutionary that it has changed the way in which we live.....he didn't invent the microcomputer or the Tablet or the Mobile Phone, he simple designed them a certain way. Those others you mentioned (with the possible exception of Jimmy Wales) invented such things as the Television, Light Bulb and Radio essentially from nothing and contributed in a more fundamental way to how we live, but even then I would not particularly mark their death as being significant, at least not to the extent that Steve Jobs seems to be being canonized by his "followers".

He designed some cool stuff and I think the iPad is a great bit of kit that surpasses all its rivals, and its a shame that he died so young, but that is about the breadth of it for me.
 
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OhEsEcks said:
Like I say, if you're old enough to remember, Bill Gates was just as much of a ruthless businessman and ******* as Jobs. But throw a bit of money at starving children or Africa and suddenly you're a saint.
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tbf he's done huge amounts of work into making the world a better place, including persuading many wealthy people to give up 50% of their wealth.
 
OhEsEcks said:
Like I say, if you're old enough to remember, Bill Gates was just as much of a ruthless businessman and ******* as Jobs. But throw a bit of money at starving children or Africa and suddenly you're a saint.
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A bit ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_&_Melinda_Gates_Foundation

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It had an endowment of US$33.5 billion as of September 30, 2011
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imho Jobs did absolutely nothing remarkable. There are many successful business men out there.
 
Gerard said:
Ruthless Businessman yes (welcome to that world), did he harass and belittle employees the way Jobs did? Ive not heard of any instances of that going on.

As for a "bit of money" last i heard it was around 28 Billion plus, and most of his wealth after he dies is going to continue that work.
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Yes.

As an executive, Gates met regularly with Microsoft's senior managers and program managers. Firsthand accounts of these meetings describe him as verbally combative, berating managers for perceived holes in their business strategies or proposals that placed the company's long-term interests at risk.[45][46]

He often interrupted presentations with such comments as, "That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard!"[47] and, "Why don't you just give up your options and join the Peace Corps?"[48] The target of his outburst then had to defend the proposal in detail until, hopefully, Gates was fully convinced.[47] When subordinates appeared to be procrastinating, he was known to remark sarcastically, "I'll do it over the weekend."[49][50][51]
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There we go.
 
If the argument is who has best served human society, then it's clearly Bill Gates.

If it's innovation in technology, then it's probably Steve Jobs but only by a small margin.
 
Zbornak said:
Perhaps. But I wasn't around when he was designing the Apple so I can't recognise it's influence on society.
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but you said innovation in technology, that would be woz, very nice design would be more steve but not really technological advancements more marketing.
 
His companies products have changed the face of mobile computing imo. Yes there were touch screen phones but the iPhone did it a lot better than their competition and they revived an almost dead sector in tablets as well. Before that the iPod played a huge part in what really drove us into digital musics. Look at Windows 8, the mighty Microsoft who for years have dictated the computing world have had a radical makeover and much of that is due to the competition from Apple.

You got to respect what he has done whether you like him or not. He isn't perfect and neither are any of us. I'm not going to comment on him as a person because I don't think you can unless you personally know him, reading stories about him belittling employees is hardly proof of that.
 
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