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Stock Amd 64 4000+ Vs Conroe E6300 1.86ghz

BenJ

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Ok im building a new pc and I want to know if a STANDARD Amd 64 4000+ (Socket 939) @ 2.4ghz is quicker than the lowest conroe E6300 @ 1.86ghz.

I know the conroe is dual core but logic tells me that since the amd is running @ 2.4ghz as opposed to 1.86ghz then its the quicker option. Now i know the conroe has more potential to be overclocked but since I do not know how to do this then i would rather leave them as they are, so opinions purely based upon standard specs please.

The rest of the specs im thinking of are as follows, if you need to know them:

Artic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro Cpu Cooler
OCZ Matched 2Gig Platinum Ram DDR 2-3-2
Asus A8N-Sli SE Mobo
Hiper Type R 580 Modular PSU
Seagate Barracuda 160Gig sata H/D
BFG GeForce 7950 GT PCI-E Graphics Card
Creative Sound Blaster Audigy SE 7.1
Sony DVD RW

Cheers.
 
Get a gigabtye ds3 and an allendale e6300 combination. MIne is very conservatively clocked at only 333mhz x7 multi for 2.33ghz(over a normal unclocked 1,86ghz. At that speed it gives a fx-62 a good beating. And I also have the cpu UNDERvolted as well, never goes above 38c when priming or superpi32m. Happily pulls a 24sec seperpi1m at my low overclock :D

Don't bother wasting money on AM2, conroe spanks it all over the shop.

Rob H
 
ok i think im being pursuaded towards this conroe, although that gigabyte ds3 is not sli, which i would prefer and also its a little pricey for the ds4, any more budget friendly sli mobos that are both good for the conroe and possibly overclocking? P.s how long would it take me to overclock the 1.86ghz to say 2.6ghz, bear in mind it will be my first time.
 
Not sure there are that many SLI motherboards other than the DS4 at the moment for that price.

As for overclocking it, it'll take probably 5 minutes, although you will need a better cooler than the one provided with the CPU. :)
 
ok maybe ill have to fork out a bit more for the ds4 and possibly scrimp a bit on some other parts. 5 minutes thats wicked, in the guide it was on about testing it for long periods of time for stability etc? As for the cooler i was thinking the artic cooling freezer pro 7, but after reading a few posts it sounds like the ninja cooler is the best idea? although that again is more expensive than my original idea :(
 
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ok maybe ill have to fork out a bit more for the ds4 and possibly scrimp a bit on some other parts. 5 minutes thats wicked, in the guide it was on about testing it for long periods of time for stability etc? As for the cooler i was thinking the artic cooling freezer pro 7, but after reading a few posts it sounds like the ninja cooler is the best idea? although that again is more expensive than my original idea :(
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My artic freezer 7 pro runs my e6400 nicely at 3.2ghz on stock volts.

Assuming you get 667mhz ram (I think you said your on a budget) you should be able to get it to 2.6ghz easy.

Basically you just go into bios, change the multiplier to say 7 and FSB to 333 save settings from bios and bam, 2.6ghz cpu :D
 
lol change two settings and im it'l be 2.6, well when people said it was easy lol... now that is easy! :)
 
just a warning, there is no official support for SLi on any of the intel chipsets, only for Xfire.

Unless you have a really big monitor, SLi/Xfrie isn't worth over getting a single high end card. And the DS3 also has the extra PCI slot over the DS4.
 
Just an addition to the post regarding AMD v Intel inthe MHZ area!

I have a P4 3.6Ghz HT that as stock, on its supplied Motherboard, is quite honestly the biggest pile of doggie doo-doos I have ever wasted money on.

CPU-Wise its good... About on par with a 2.4Ghz AMD. Yet, for everything else, its a dog.

Now I got it a DS3 Mobo and my god it now flies.

My Conroe is stuck at stock speeds because of my RAM and when I get new RAM, I am swapping the P4 with the conroe, because at stock, the conroe is certainly impressive considering the GHZ ( 1.8 ), but its still way below what my main AMDs are ( 2 @ 2.7 and both can hit 3.0 ) and even my basic AMD are kicking it about a bit, but tthats just it isnt it?

Once I do get the RAM ( Not cheap ) I am hoping to get just 3.0 or hopefulyl more of course, and from what people are tellign me, the Conroe is about 30% faster than the equivalent MHZ AMD, so my best AMDs have hit 3.0Ghz so considering the conroe should knock this fairly easily, it goes without saying that its going to be a monster.

That said, had I thought about it differently, My AMDs are far quicker than I need them to be, so was it realyl necessary for me to actually upgrade to the Intels? No, it was not... I have still to fork out close to £200 before I can truly give the conroe its due, and hell, even with the P4 CPU I cant get the PC stable at all ( ATI Control panel keeps failing ) while my AMDs dont fail on anything... The last BSOD I ever saw was when I was overclocking my Barton FFS!

In the end as I said, its worth it... The conroes do a lot more work for their MHZ than AMDs do... And the AMDs do a lot more work for their MHZ than the other Intels do...

So, the 1.8Ghz Conroe is about on par with say an AMD 3000-ish
 
A 1.8 gig conroe evens out against a 4400x2 so i reading of course when you hit 2.5 you passed a fx 62.
 
Toms Hardware have CPU charts that include Conroe / A64 X2. Basically the 1.86Ghz Conroe is still faster than the X2 4400+ in games most of the time. When its slower, its not slower by much.
 
Lets also be honest now the price of amd chips has risen for example a x2 3800 on overs site is £119.84 and the cpu the 6300 competes with and beats in many tests the 4400 on skt 939 is £176 mark.

The AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4200+ 2.20GHz (Socket AM2) is the same price as a 6300 and you are getting better performance out of the core 2 so really buying a am2 system is insane.
 
You must also realise, that if someone has say a Winchester or a venice, and is happy with their speeds ( Which are not slow by any means ) and just fancy a nice boost, then getting a dual core x2 3800 or better, is still a strong option.

Ok, maybe not the 3800 cos as far as I can tell, apart from the dual core itself, its no faster than a winchester really... Not for most things anyway.

Now, if they were to go for the conroe, then its a whole new Board, RAM and CPU, while the AMD path its still only the CPU.

I know that most of us here are into bigger, better faster, more etc, but also in the same breath, a lot more people also dont really give two hoots either than many seem to make out.

There is a stong mentality here, that if anyone buys anything that isnt a conroe, then they are stupid... Lets be honest here, but 99% of computer users dont need anythign over a Pentium 1 with 64MB of RAM never mind a 3Ghz conroe with a £350+ GFX card just to check their EMails and write a letter to aunty may in timbuktu or wherever?

All the games I play, I play on a number of different PCs, ranging from a stock XP1700 through some severely overclocked AMD64s, and there is one thing that I have noticed in almost all the games I play too, and that is that the CPU is NOT a vital part of the system, but rather the Graphics are. The CPU does of course play a big role, dont get me wrong here, but not as much as many seem to think...Not in the games I give a dam about anyway.

So, will a conroe play my games any better for me? Erm, no, not really.

My conroe system has naff RAM, its running the conroe at 200FSB, although it does try to run it, its just not good enough. So, therefore I am using the P4 instead for a while until I get my new RAM, but so far, while I have enjoyed the system very much, I have come across more problems than anything, and at this moment in time, I have not been able to run a SBLive24 in the board at all, and the onboard junk keeps hanging while I am doing a lot of disk access ( Gigabyte DS3 - if anyone can cure that ) and rendering even MP3 playback almost impossible.

Is that worth it? No.

While the CPU is certainly a real monster, the whole system as a complete unit, is thoroughly unimpressive compared to even a basic AMD.
 
You seem to forget a faster cpu boosts the performance of the gpu, ive gamed on a P4 i had before the conroe with the same gfx card in the conroe gave me a huge fps boost in all games, my bro has a 3800 am2@ 2.6 with same gfx and i get a big boost fps over his.

If you on skt 939 then upgrading that is the way to go, if you bulding a new rig its stupid not to go core2duo its the fastest and best cpu around atm, for £129 a [email protected] beats a fx62 that costs probaly 4x as much so you can understand why people push core2duo so much as does Gibbo at overclockers who said buying anything but core2 is stupid in a new rig.

You can't really say about core2 as you on that ram, so basically you are underclocking the cpu and tbh am amazed it works as virtually all the conroe boards are 533mhz min. Core2 is meant to be run on a min of 533mhz ram so would explain your problems, tis like having a ferrari and then shutting off 3 cylinders it will run but won't perform at all.

Btw i aint no intel fanboy, i previously always had amd for gaming purposes as they were the best cpu's at the time.
 
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ok have just buuild the new system:

Conroe E6300 @1.86ghz
Artic cooling freezer 7 pro
Gigabyte DS4 mobo
GeiL ddr2 2gig
MSI GeForce 7900GTO


Ok you mentioned a core2duo should be running RAM that is 533mhz at least? well this GeiL ram is supposed to be 5300 @ 667mhz, yet in CPU-Z its saying that the ram frequency is 333.4 mhz. Are these two unrelated or is there somthing going wrong somwhere?

Cheers.
 
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