Stripped down Windows 10 for gaming?

willhub · 22 Oct 2019 at 11:45

If for example you ran Windows 10 LTSC, would this be a much better option for a gaming rig rather than Windows 10 standard? Some comments around reckon almost 10% difference in perf?

Deleted member 77746 · 22 Oct 2019 at 12:02

"LTSB/LTSC has none of the Windows Store garbage, none of the Cortana garbage and none of the silly 'consumer experience' crap. "

Might be worth looking into...

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com...-is-it-and-when-should-it-be-used/ba-p/293181

I might look into this os and use it myself. Don't use a lot of the features that 10 comes with. I'm going to install a demo of it right now in a VM to test it.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/evaluate-windows-10-enterprise

17763.107.101029-1455.rs5_release_svc_refresh_CLIENT_LTSC_EVAL_x86FRE_en-gb.iso
17763.107.101029-1455.rs5_release_svc_refresh_CLIENT_LTSC_EVAL_x64FRE_en-gb.iso

Deleted member 77746 · 22 Oct 2019 at 13:11

Just installed it in virtual box, these are the only things you get on the system. No more bloat.

willhub · 22 Oct 2019 at 13:19

I might do the same and stick it on virtual box see if I can live without some of the bloat. Need Win Store I think though for Forza 4 and Xbox Game Pass>?

alec · 22 Oct 2019 at 13:19

What matters are processes running in background. Show the Task manager details page.

I remember list of backround processes of a clean Windows 7 would fit on a single page of Task Manger... And on Windows 2000 it would be half a page without any cleaning.

willhub · 22 Oct 2019 at 13:21

The processes list is veeerry long! Does the LTSB contain same improvements to scheduler re Ryzen?

Deleted member 77746 · 22 Oct 2019 at 13:23

alec said:
What matters are processes running in background. Show the Task manager details page.

I remember list of backround processes of a clean Windows 7 would fit on a single page of Task Manger... And on Windows 2000 it would be half a page without any cleaning.

Right.... In this virtual box I just installed there is now 22 running processors!!! Holy heck! with 85MB running memory at idle! WTF! This might be my new OS.

Hotwired · 22 Oct 2019 at 13:33

So in the details...

There's a LTSC release every 3 years.

If anything you're working with requires a windows update in that time that's too bad.

Deleted member 77746 · 22 Oct 2019 at 13:38

Hotwired said:
So in the details...

There's a LTSC release every 3 years.

If anything you're working with requires a windows update in that time that's too bad.

A release for what? This OS still gets updates. It's just had 40+ updates out of the box install to version 1809. This OS is one of the stablest versions available.

Hotwired · 22 Oct 2019 at 13:54

mrbell1984 said:
A release for what? This OS still gets updates. It's just had 40+ updates out of the box install to version 1809. This OS is one of the stablest versions available.

From the supplied link:

Considerations
All too often, I have seen strategic decisions about Windows 10 servicing options and the use of the Long-Term Servicing Channel driven by the wrong criteria; for example, IT professional familiarity prevailing over end user value and impact. The LTSC is designed for devices and use cases where features and functionality will not change. It provides 10 years of security servicing to a static Windows 10 feature set. If you are considering the LTSC for devices in your organization, please consider the following:

Silicon support: Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC will support the currently released processors and chipsets at the time of release of the LTSC. When choosing to utilize the LTSC, you must factor hardware into your decision, making sure you have a long-term supply of devices and service components for the life of your expected usage of the device. If the hardware your device is using needs to be replaced in five years, do you have a replacement supply to support the version you are running? You also want to be sure you have a hardware solution that will provide you with extended driver/firmware support to match your expected lifecycle use of the LTSC for that device. (See the Lifecycle FAQ to learn more about the Windows Silicon Support Policy.)

New peripheral support: Because the API and driver support models are not changing, the LTSC release you deploy may not support new hardware or peripherals that you need to use in your organization.

Application support: With each Semi-Annual Channel release following an LTSC release, there is a growing gap in APIs and functionality between the current Windows API in use by most all devices, and previous LTSC releases. Many ISVs do not support LTSC editions for their applications, as they want their applications to use the latest innovation and capabilities to give users the best experience. This is the case with Office ProPlus, which does not support Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC releases as it relies on Windows 10 feature updates and the Semi-Annual Channel to deliver the best user experience with the latest capabilities. (If you were using Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019, you would, therefore, need to use Office 2019.)

Deleted member 77746 · 22 Oct 2019 at 13:58

I'm fairly sure most software will work what works on windows 10 anyway.

Hotwired · 22 Oct 2019 at 14:20

mrbell1984 said:
I'm fairly sure most software will work what works on windows 10 anyway.

The point is that version will never get updates to keep up with evolving hardware and software. It's meant to be sealed in a box with software and hardware that it is compatible with on release.

So the best you can hope for when using it outside the intended scenario is that it works until it doesn't.

willhub · 22 Oct 2019 at 15:22

Doesn't LTSB ever get updates? Surely they're make a release a year or so later that has updates for hardware?

If I partition my NVME drive, can I simply load the Windows 10 ISO and install onto that partition to have 2 dual booting? I'd like to give it a try running natively as opposed to a VM before getting rid of my current Windows 10 install.

Hotwired · 22 Oct 2019 at 15:38

willhub said:
Doesn't LTSB ever get updates? Surely they're make a release a year or so later that has updates for hardware?

We create a new LTSC release approximately every three years, and each release contains all the new capabilities and support included in the Windows 10 features updates that have been released since the previous LTSC release.

The links do talk about problems the lack of updates can cause and why this OS is not suitable for many applications.

ChrisD. · 22 Oct 2019 at 15:39

LTSB is designed for products that don't often get updates, such as medical equipment, machine equipment and so on.

willhub · 22 Oct 2019 at 15:43

Hmm, so the best option is streamlining with apps such as Nlite is it? But even so if one does not know what is doing with that it can cause stability issues?

_tucker_ · 22 Oct 2019 at 15:46

Is there no way to just disable half the bloat that comes on the regular windows 10 instead? Ie removing cortana completely? I’d be interested as there is a ton of rubbish I don’t use and my cpu is starting to feel it’s age

AHarvey · 23 Oct 2019 at 07:09

My rig's not the newest but I can't say I've had any issues with win 10 in its current state and gaming. If your spec was rather naff I could understand it, but with most decent gaming rigs is it really going to make any difference?

AHarvey · 23 Oct 2019 at 07:10

_tucker_ said:
Is there no way to just disable half the bloat that comes on the regular windows 10 instead? Ie removing cortana completely? I’d be interested as there is a ton of rubbish I don’t use and my cpu is starting to feel it’s age

You can use Powershell to remove a lot of the things that are built-in, but they can be turned back on/reinstalled with updates.

opethdisciple · 23 Oct 2019 at 17:16

Is this in essence an LTS release (Long term support)?

In other words it will get security updates but not feature updates.