Struggling with full frame DSLR practicalities

Soldato
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Hi all - sell me a smaller APSC camera or tell me I should man up with my current kit and maybe a new lens.

The short story is that I have been using my full frame DSLR much less over the last 5-6 years and this year I am trying to get back into using as it is a much more satisfying way to take photos and obviously the image quality is far higher than my iphone. I think I mainly stopped carrying it around due to the size and weight of the camera and having to make choices about what can be fitted into luggage when going on holiday. I have been struggling as well as although I have a couple of prime lenses they are quite close in focal length (although I can borrow a few more from my parents) I rarely want to take the camera and more than one lens with me on general trips with the family. I did have a look at getting a walkabout zoom lens that cover a range of the normal focal lengths in but they all seem much larger than the current lenses I have plus at £900+ it seems like I could chose a different path.

Trips and walking about somewhere includes pushing a pushchair, watching out for the toddler, holding hands and chasing after them and the 1kg+ weight around my neck swinging around is unpleasant at times and dangerous, I have caught my daughter with it thankfully quite gently. On th flip side she loves playing with the buttons and the live view, looking through the viewfinder, snapping pictures she cannot see and looking through photos so I am sure she will have fun with photography in the future.

Essentially I have been using a phone as the camera to take places. They have come a long way and the 3 lens setup gives me a wide range of useful focal lengths and whatever processing apple decided makes photos sparkle which is great for snap shots. Everyone wants to take snapshots some of the time. However I struggle with the ergonomics of holding the phone steady when taking the picture, seeing the screen as we hold it and angle it away and generally having control over what the camera is doing. The phones have worked adequately well until you try to view pictures at 100% on screen or on a decently sized print then I find the pictures disappointing in terms of sharpness and clarity and regret not having used a proper camera. I have definitely missed out using the phone on several holidays. I am quite envious of my wife who seems to be able to real of great pictures on her phone, make some small adjustments and get them on social media before we leave wherever we are or as I am driving home meanwhile my photos can sit on the camera not even looked at for weeks/months. Getting her onto a proper camera some of the time would be excellent as well as when she has picked up and point and shot with my camera the results are good!

The price of lenses for my current DLSR is off-putting as well especially considering adding a large zoom lens that I am not sure will suit me anyway. I am considering the "down grade" as when I moved from an initial digicam and bought my first DLSR way back nearly 20 years ago now I had the camera and two light kit lenses that covered most scenarios and everything was straightforward. The camera wasn't as large either (Nikon D50). I do remember stepping up though from the next DSLR with 10 megapixels to my first FX camera with 12 megapixels and my pictures at the time seemed noticeably nicer on the FX camera. I have seen lots of encouraging results on mirrorless APSC cameras and probably it is all my learning and practice with taking photos and using the camera that matters more. It is a shame I do not have a standard test picture I took to look at across the digital cameras I have had as that might have been fun to see.

A lot of good photos are skill, technique and being able to look at them afterwards rather than the camera and I need to get back in practice with that. I have no excuses but this year I am re learning depth of field, focus points, adjusting exposure etc all over again. Thank goodness for digital rather than all the learning and experimenting being on film again! The same goes for editing, uploading and storing photos. I have lost my way since moving out from home where I could borrow a computer with Photoshop and Raw. I have not been as handy using GIMP and darktable (which is no longer compatible with my computer)

So I am considering options. My current camera with my heaviest lens weighs 1200g, adding the 24-120mm lens suggested to me would take that up to 1708g ish.

The Nikon z50ii I am considering at weighs 685g with the kit lens I would typically carry around. I know it is not a good comparison price wise - newlines vs new camera, lenses (kit and extra prime), different memory cards and it seems a spare battery or charger is more essential but the practicalities should be better. To me it seems a sensible extravagance as long as I am happy in the photos I take. I need to figure out a few things like if I am ok looking through an electronic view finder, how responsive the shutter is and whether it has horizon markers etc. I already know it has a handy flip around screen which was very useful back when I had a Nikon 990 as you could peer over things or frame your picture from up high, the much faster shutter response when I got the D50 was one of the best things about the upgrade.

Thanks for reading, if nothing else it is good for me to write things down. Here are some of my photos from this year as I try to relearn what I am doing. I have always tried to take a photo to be how like I see it by eye so there isn't a lot of processing. Imgur may have softened these up?

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I think 95% of my photography is outside in good light and definitely all for myself and that I should be confident in getting good results from and APS-C camera. I mainly do scenery and what I see when we are out and about as well as rather setting out with a photo in mind to try and get (apart from when going back to places to try and redo things to be better). I definitely don't want to be going for a bigger camera.
I currently have a Nikon D800E. The nice thing is I am not obligated to get rid of one camera to buy another, and even if I did I could probably borrow another full frame Nikon as needed. Essentially it is a camera for general use, holidays etc and a bit more flexibility. If needed or for example low light performance was still better on the old camera I could just swap out to that. Thinking about the lenses between mine and my parents we only cover the ranges between 20mm (manual everything) and 105mm anyway so when I had my D5- the two general kit lenses covered nearly as wide and much longer. The kit lenses seem to cover similar ranges on the mirrorless cameras. I have just been looking through some of my older pictures and they are generally satisfactory, I am a lot more conscious now of exposure and sharpness and what the picture is doing than I used to be. It seems that I have a lot of pictures of cars and motor racing!

Trying to get a look at, properly hold or have a go with any specific camera seems to be very difficult locally, I might have to have a day out in Birmingham. I am not keen on going to a retro handing camera however cool they look and the Fuji dave28 suggested seemed well specified. The Sony looks a bit different to what I am used to for a camera and you never know if they feel right until you handle them. My current DSLR definitely handles right, it is the bits where I am just carrying for having it around your neck and trying to do the other things in the day (mostly toddler chasing at the moment) where it becomes a nuisance. A smaller lighter camera definitely seems that it might be a good choice for me and going to mirrorless I should really consider more than just Nikon. Maybe I will flick through and post some stuff from the D50 to show what a basic DSLR from 20 years ago can do.

These photos are from yesterday which is a fast turnaround for me, I seem to be doing a lot of portrait orientation landscape type shots lately and trying to get some nice shots of the little one.
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I think only you can look at your photos and perhaps have a go with a full frame camera to decide if you are happy with the images you have or can see a partial benefit with full frame. In general it seems that the larger up to date sensors are of a higher quality giving better quality images but the rest of the camera, choice of lens and what you do with it is just as important. I think from my own limited research in considering the opposite move to a smaller sensor that there is much less of a gap in quality than when I first switched to a full frame camera, it was very noticeable moving from a 2005 released APS-C camera to a 2008 released full frame Nikon D700, which was a peach of a camera in general.

Have you come across this page with photo comparisons
DPReview studio photograph camera comparison

I am not any further on with my potential shopping. One big thing I need to try is the electronic viewfinders. The big electronic stores around here only had one mirrorless camera and no power or anyone to show me. The local branch of a national camera chain had a few mirrorless cameras to see but none with any power. Unfortunately I couldn’t wait for a battery to charge up! Rather than looking at specific cameras I have gone down the YouTube videos of trying to take and make better photos. My editing skills are very limited now but I am trying to learn.

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I am no further along except being sure of the need to change. We have had a family holiday and I took my DSLR and both lenses for once there are no (or rather much less) space and weight issues when travelling by car/ferry to Normandy. I had a great time using it really but the bulk issues did show up a couple of times when it swung about and not wanting to carry it on a couple of morning walks when it really was the best time for me to take my time and for quiet pictures in the little town we stayed in. I think my 35mm became my go to walk about lens with the 50mm well also being an all rounder mainly being useful for family snaps and shots trying to frame in more - the typical using your focal length correctly. Some of you might say I might be brave as all my memory cards are the same age or much older my than the camera but you use what you have as I didn't take a laptop/drives to offload to. I am definitely not as brave as some people here going back to film for trips like this especially expired stuff!
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I filled all my cards plus another half on the card in the camera. They are mostly family holiday stuff as I find I have to shoot 5 frames to get one reasonable expression from my toddler but the images will be very fun for myself or my toddler. What I constantly find out is that I am really have to jump into the right mindset with this camera, I really need to watch shutter speeds as I have some photos that just aren't sharp or have movement in that is blurry because I didn't notice 1/80 second as I usually focus on aperture. You are always learning and practicing with this hobby. I will probably be posting more to the actual photo threads over the coming weeks as I look at and learn to edit things a little better but here are some photos for now.
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As for buying a new camera well I am not any further along. I had one disaster giving myself time to go to a camera shop in the nearest big city on the way to pick up a relative from the airport only to get stuck in some horrific accident traffic.
What I have established is that lighter and easier is needed. I don't do a lot in low light or need fast lenses 95% of the time so I should get away with zooms and kit lenses at least to start with. Even when I have opened up to 1.8-2 the depth of field has almost been to narrow and photos at 4.5-6.3 for people with my current lenses produce a pleasing result. I am using the depth of field calculator on my phone a lot but I presume when paying attention and thinking about it more these details will go in my head eventually. I find this as important than the exposure, iso, aperture triangle to think about. As a family we need to get away from trying to do phone pictures because when my toddler sees the phones come out she wants them rather than carrying on with what she is doing that we want a picture of, a new smaller camera might allow my wife to use and enjoy it as well.
Did I mention I got given a mirrorless camera bag for Christmas, I don't know if it was a hint or a mistake, my DLSR just fits in with one of my smaller lenses but either way it can be another excuse to by something that fits better.
Sorry for bumping my own thread. Maybe my next thoughts about the camera buying topic will be in the new gear willy waving thread.
 
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