Struggling with full frame DSLR practicalities

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Hi all - sell me a smaller APSC camera or tell me I should man up with my current kit and maybe a new lens.

The short story is that I have been using my full frame DSLR much less over the last 5-6 years and this year I am trying to get back into using as it is a much more satisfying way to take photos and obviously the image quality is far higher than my iphone. I think I mainly stopped carrying it around due to the size and weight of the camera and having to make choices about what can be fitted into luggage when going on holiday. I have been struggling as well as although I have a couple of prime lenses they are quite close in focal length (although I can borrow a few more from my parents) I rarely want to take the camera and more than one lens with me on general trips with the family. I did have a look at getting a walkabout zoom lens that cover a range of the normal focal lengths in but they all seem much larger than the current lenses I have plus at £900+ it seems like I could chose a different path.

Trips and walking about somewhere includes pushing a pushchair, watching out for the toddler, holding hands and chasing after them and the 1kg+ weight around my neck swinging around is unpleasant at times and dangerous, I have caught my daughter with it thankfully quite gently. On th flip side she loves playing with the buttons and the live view, looking through the viewfinder, snapping pictures she cannot see and looking through photos so I am sure she will have fun with photography in the future.

Essentially I have been using a phone as the camera to take places. They have come a long way and the 3 lens setup gives me a wide range of useful focal lengths and whatever processing apple decided makes photos sparkle which is great for snap shots. Everyone wants to take snapshots some of the time. However I struggle with the ergonomics of holding the phone steady when taking the picture, seeing the screen as we hold it and angle it away and generally having control over what the camera is doing. The phones have worked adequately well until you try to view pictures at 100% on screen or on a decently sized print then I find the pictures disappointing in terms of sharpness and clarity and regret not having used a proper camera. I have definitely missed out using the phone on several holidays. I am quite envious of my wife who seems to be able to real of great pictures on her phone, make some small adjustments and get them on social media before we leave wherever we are or as I am driving home meanwhile my photos can sit on the camera not even looked at for weeks/months. Getting her onto a proper camera some of the time would be excellent as well as when she has picked up and point and shot with my camera the results are good!

The price of lenses for my current DLSR is off-putting as well especially considering adding a large zoom lens that I am not sure will suit me anyway. I am considering the "down grade" as when I moved from an initial digicam and bought my first DLSR way back nearly 20 years ago now I had the camera and two light kit lenses that covered most scenarios and everything was straightforward. The camera wasn't as large either (Nikon D50). I do remember stepping up though from the next DSLR with 10 megapixels to my first FX camera with 12 megapixels and my pictures at the time seemed noticeably nicer on the FX camera. I have seen lots of encouraging results on mirrorless APSC cameras and probably it is all my learning and practice with taking photos and using the camera that matters more. It is a shame I do not have a standard test picture I took to look at across the digital cameras I have had as that might have been fun to see.

A lot of good photos are skill, technique and being able to look at them afterwards rather than the camera and I need to get back in practice with that. I have no excuses but this year I am re learning depth of field, focus points, adjusting exposure etc all over again. Thank goodness for digital rather than all the learning and experimenting being on film again! The same goes for editing, uploading and storing photos. I have lost my way since moving out from home where I could borrow a computer with Photoshop and Raw. I have not been as handy using GIMP and darktable (which is no longer compatible with my computer)

So I am considering options. My current camera with my heaviest lens weighs 1200g, adding the 24-120mm lens suggested to me would take that up to 1708g ish.

The Nikon z50ii I am considering at weighs 685g with the kit lens I would typically carry around. I know it is not a good comparison price wise - newlines vs new camera, lenses (kit and extra prime), different memory cards and it seems a spare battery or charger is more essential but the practicalities should be better. To me it seems a sensible extravagance as long as I am happy in the photos I take. I need to figure out a few things like if I am ok looking through an electronic view finder, how responsive the shutter is and whether it has horizon markers etc. I already know it has a handy flip around screen which was very useful back when I had a Nikon 990 as you could peer over things or frame your picture from up high, the much faster shutter response when I got the D50 was one of the best things about the upgrade.

Thanks for reading, if nothing else it is good for me to write things down. Here are some of my photos from this year as I try to relearn what I am doing. I have always tried to take a photo to be how like I see it by eye so there isn't a lot of processing. Imgur may have softened these up?

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I would sell all DSLR gear and start again with mirrorless

a used Fuji X-T4 + 18-55 f2.4 - f4 zoom is under £1000 these days

and you could also buy a used Rode Mic and fast memory card to add to that to mess about with some video
 
What camera do you have at the moment?

I recently moved from FF to APS-C and am regretting it. (A7C to FX30). The amount of distortion to get decent wide-angle is annoying and having to be more careful about diffraction limits (mainly cos I'm cropping so hard and shooting video).

When I get a new job sorted out I'll probably going to upgrade to an FX3 to get full frame again.

Have you handled a Sony A7C with a 28- 60 lens? It's tiny, weighs in around 700g total. Very, very capable little combo. Could pick up both for around £1k used, still have FF, in a very compact package.
 
Unless Full Frame is a necessity i.e. professional use (and even then I would further narrow that down to weddings and events) then there is no reason APS-C isn't every bit as useful.
I admit that I have gone one further with my Fuji GFX Medium Format setup but that was mostly an indulgence for my hobby which is mainly landscapes. All that said, I would be lost if I didn't have my smaller Fuji X-mount gear. I know there is day coming when the IQ benefits of Medium Format will no longer outweigh the size and weight penalties I will happily stick with my APS-C gear.
I used to shoot Full Frame Canon DSLR and that gear was big and heavy, most of my GFX stuff is comparable in size and weight so that just goes to show how far mirrorless has come from DSLR in those terms.
 
I think 95% of my photography is outside in good light and definitely all for myself and that I should be confident in getting good results from and APS-C camera. I mainly do scenery and what I see when we are out and about as well as rather setting out with a photo in mind to try and get (apart from when going back to places to try and redo things to be better). I definitely don't want to be going for a bigger camera.
I currently have a Nikon D800E. The nice thing is I am not obligated to get rid of one camera to buy another, and even if I did I could probably borrow another full frame Nikon as needed. Essentially it is a camera for general use, holidays etc and a bit more flexibility. If needed or for example low light performance was still better on the old camera I could just swap out to that. Thinking about the lenses between mine and my parents we only cover the ranges between 20mm (manual everything) and 105mm anyway so when I had my D5- the two general kit lenses covered nearly as wide and much longer. The kit lenses seem to cover similar ranges on the mirrorless cameras. I have just been looking through some of my older pictures and they are generally satisfactory, I am a lot more conscious now of exposure and sharpness and what the picture is doing than I used to be. It seems that I have a lot of pictures of cars and motor racing!

Trying to get a look at, properly hold or have a go with any specific camera seems to be very difficult locally, I might have to have a day out in Birmingham. I am not keen on going to a retro handing camera however cool they look and the Fuji dave28 suggested seemed well specified. The Sony looks a bit different to what I am used to for a camera and you never know if they feel right until you handle them. My current DSLR definitely handles right, it is the bits where I am just carrying for having it around your neck and trying to do the other things in the day (mostly toddler chasing at the moment) where it becomes a nuisance. A smaller lighter camera definitely seems that it might be a good choice for me and going to mirrorless I should really consider more than just Nikon. Maybe I will flick through and post some stuff from the D50 to show what a basic DSLR from 20 years ago can do.

These photos are from yesterday which is a fast turnaround for me, I seem to be doing a lot of portrait orientation landscape type shots lately and trying to get some nice shots of the little one.
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