Stuck for tft choice ?

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Im after a good all round tft, but which must also be good for gaming. I was at first going to go for a Viewsonic VX922, but then i read somewhere that it has a TN panel & that the Viewsonic VP930 has a better type of panel. But the VP930 only has a 8ms response time, is this good enough for fps gaming ?
also, the stand on the VP930 is a bit big on the back, it dont seem to be able to go to close to the wall, can this be removed ? Is there any other monitors i should be considering that is as good as the VX922 & VP930 ? what about the Hyundai ImageQuest Q90U 19, has this got the better panel ? Its so hard to chouse............
 
if you want an all rounded panel, you probably want to avoid TN Film based models. These are aimed more at gamers and are restrictive when it comes to viewing angles (especially vertically), movie playback (noisy commonly) and also colour and black depth. Models like the Viewsonic VP930 use a P-MVA panel and offer much better all round performance without the problems listed above which TN Film panels suffer from. The 8ms response time is still perfectly fine for gaming, it might not be quite as fast as the Viewsonic VX922 (which is arguably the most responsive panel in the market right now), but it is still very good for gaming. I'd suggest looking at the non TN panels if you want an all round performer, and the VP930 is arguably the best all round model in the market right now. If you wanted to strecth a little, you might also want to look at the 20"WS models like the Viewsonic VX2025WM or Belinea 102035W. These feature effectively a scaled up version of the P-MVA panel (from AU Optronics) and again exhibit the same kind of performance as the VP930, just with extra size and resolution as well :)
 
Thanks for your advise Badass, but i dont think i will get a widescreen monitor because to get the same height of screen as a 19" 4:3 monitor i would probably need to get a 24" widescreen, & thats out of my price range. Do you have any advise as to any other manufactures 4:3 monitors that match up to the same quality ect of the Viewsonic VP930 ?
The Hyundai ImageQuest Q90U 19" has a 3ms response time, does this have a P-MVA panel ? is it any good ?
 
The Q90U is a TN Film panel i'm afraid, very similar in characterisitcs and performance to the other heavily overdrive models like the VX922 and Samsung 930BF/940BF. As regards to other all rounders, the Samsung 970P is good, but not quite as good in movie playback as the VP930. If you wanted to get a bigger screen then the Viewsonic VP2030B is basically the 20" 4:3 version of the VP930. btw, you can check what panel and technology a TFT is using by using the panel search tool here: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/ :)
 
Thanks Badass, is there anyone out there with a Viewsonic VP930 that can tel me how much desk space it takes up with the big stand plz ?
 
Hi,
I have the same "problem" you have choosing my next monitor.
I'm still waiting for a formal review of the LG L1970HR model which seems to be a fight for the VP930. Yes, I know it's a TN panel, but LG claim to fix some of the "TN problems" using new technology.

unfortunately, as I said, I couldn't find yet any official review for that monitor.
If either the first review is not good or no review come out soon, I'll go for the VP930.
 
Ripper-X- said:
Thanks Badass, is there anyone out there with a Viewsonic VP930 that can tel me how much desk space it takes up with the big stand plz ?
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The front two legs together are 39cm wide.

The rear two legs are 26cm wide.

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Depth of legs is 29cm
 
qwertyxx said:
Hi,
I have the same "problem" you have choosing my next monitor.
I'm still waiting for a formal review of the LG L1970HR model which seems to be a fight for the VP930. Yes, I know it's a TN panel, but LG claim to fix some of the "TN problems" using new technology.

unfortunately, as I said, I couldn't find yet any official review for that monitor.
If either the first review is not good or no review come out soon, I'll go for the VP930.
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a lot of manufacturers claim to improve in areas flawed fundamentally by the panel technology, and this is often done with "wonder chips" :p i wouldnt hold out too much hope to be quite honest. Hopefully the DFC addition will help improve contrast and black depth dynamically, and a heavy dose of overdrive is bound to help improve responsiveness. However, viewing angles are going to be restrictive still, this is just a problem with TN Film due to the liquid crystal alignment. Movie playback is not TN's strong point either, and overdrive only leads to potential accentuation of noise and possible overdrive trailing. Anyway, I'd be interested to see some reviews once it is released, but dont hold too much hope on its matching the VP930's all round performance.
 
Thanks sparkster, thats just the info i wanted, the whole point of my wanting to get a lcd was to give me more desk space, but at 29cm depth its still taking up a lot of space..........hmmm, i wonder if the legs sticking out from the back of the stand can be cut off to give a little bit more space.
qwertyxx, i cant find a review of the LG either, it must be very new im guessing.
 
Ripper-X- said:
..........hmmm, i wonder if the legs sticking out from the back of the stand can be cut off to give a little bit more space.
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There's modding and there's murder. You are proposing murder IMO. :D

Why not consider the Viewsonic VX2025wm:

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As Baddass says here http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17589866 it's essentially the same as the VP930 (and uses the same panel technology) tho' with a higher res (9720 pixels per square inch vs. 7440 for the VP930), a slightly lower contrast ratio (800 vs 1000 for VP930) and without all the ergonomic adjustability of the VP930.

Total depth (front to back) is much less than the VP930 at 20cm.

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Note that the screen sits in the centre of the stand therefore the actual projection of the stand out of the back will be around 10cm.

Price much the same on OcUK http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/LCD_Monitors.html - £305.44 for the 2025 vs. £293.69 for the VP930.
 
What about using a WS panel for gaming, im a bit worried about that because of the aspect ratio, i think i also read somwhere that a WS panel needs to have 1:1 pixel mapping to be best for gaming (whatever that means), & i dont think the Viewsonic VX2025wm has that ? what about for windows, does it fill out the screen ok ?
 
Windows won't be an issue since you can run windows fine at the native resolution of 1680 x 1050. It will just give you a nice wide area to work in. Regarding games, there are a few things to consider when moving to WS. Firstly whether the games support WS resolutions by default, many do nowadays. Secondly whether there are 'hack's available in case they don't. Widescreengamingforum has many of these available. And thirdly, whether the screen supports 1:1 pixel mapping if you really want to / need to play the game in 4:3 aspect. Have a read about it here, it should help :)
 
I read a bit about WS gaming & it seems that most games can be made to run ok, im getting more & more tempted by the Viewsonic VX2025 now. Do you have a WS tft Badass, if so which one do you own, & are you called Badass cos you fart a lot ?
 
Yeah I've got a WS TFT, i've got a Dell 2405FPW myself, don't think i could ever go back to a 4:3 or a smaller screen! WS is very handy for my uses, allowing me to easily multi task side by side for office / windows, and it's great for movies and TV.
 
Baddass, sorry to be a pain in the ass, but i saved a bit of money today so might have a little extra to spend on a WS tft, what would you consider to be a step up from the Viewsonic vp930 ? Do you have any info on the Samsung SM-215TW 21, its £458 so i would expect it to be a better monitor, but what does it do better than the vp930 for the extra money ? or any other suggestions you might have :)
 
My suggestion would be to try and keep an eye out for a second hand Dell 2405 on Members market. Ive seen a few appear there for £450-£500 from time to time. Mine cost me £500 second hand sometime ago, and its the best £500 ive ever spent.
 
Ripper-X- said:
Baddass, sorry to be a pain in the ass, but i saved a bit of money today so might have a little extra to spend on a WS tft, what would you consider to be a step up from the Viewsonic vp930 ? Do you have any info on the Samsung SM-215TW 21, its £458 so i would expect it to be a better monitor, but what does it do better than the vp930 for the extra money ? or any other suggestions you might have :)
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well the Viewsonic VX2025WM is effectively a scaled up version of the VP930, using a 20"WS 8ms AU Optronics P-MVA panel. It comes highly rated in online reviews and from user comments as well. Might be worth considering. The Samsung 215TW is using a Samsung S-PVA panel and so its characteristics are a little different. It's quite comparable in real terms, except that movie playback is a little noiser according to reviews like that at Tom's Hardware Guide (France) recently. Samsung have had a bit of trouble controlling their overdrive application properly and a fair few of their models ar reported to suffer from some accentuated noise in movie playback as a result (eg Samsung 930BF, 970P, and now 215TW). You get a slightly larger screen with the 215TW though (21" instead of 20") but still maintain the same native resolution. I'd suggest that considering the price difference the VX2025WM might be a better choice.

Other than the VX2025WM, the NEC LCD20WGX2 is very popular and one of the best gaming screens in the market. Very good performance and some very nice features (like their DFC technology for instance). Might be worth considering that too. There's a big chunk of info on both of these in the sticky btw, only just updated yesterday in fact :)
 
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