Student protester jailed

It's violent disorder, same as smashing up a restaurant.

So still not vandalism it much worse as it endangers people and so isn't a purely monetary crime.

if he'd spray painted a wall as long as the building owner was happy i'd be fine with him just being made to clean it and repaint it, or to pay for the owner to hire a professional if they preferred, but he didn't as you say he committed violent disorder and so it can't just be solved by paying for the dmg.


Which is basically what you got told when you originally posted about it, the fact you keep trudging it up as blood money when everyone you mention it too shouts it down for anything other than vandalism shows you're not even reading what people said.

Although why you edited my post to be under Durzel's name i don't know :confused:
 
So still not vandalism it much worse as it endangers people and so isn't a purely monetary crime.

The crime of Violent Disorder mentions nothing about endangering people.

if he'd spray painted a wall as long as the building owner was happy i'd be fine with him just being made to clean it and repaint it, or to pay for the owner to hire a professional if they preferred, but he didn't as you say he committed violent disorder and so it can't just be solved by paying for the dmg.


Which is basically what you got told when you originally posted about it, the fact you keep trudging it up as blood money when everyone you mention it too shouts it down for anything other than vandalism shows you're not even reading what people said.

So just to clarify, you're against organisations like the Bullingdon Club using unlawful violence at dining establishments full of other people and then paying their way out of it so charges aren't pressed? That's pretty much violent conduct you know.

Although why you edited my post to be under Durzel's name i don't know :confused:

Oh I copied the tag from Durzel's quote and forgot to change the name. Apologies.
 
Just over a year for nearly killing a police officer. Yeah that's REALLY harsh :rolleyes:

You don't get sentenced for nearly doing something. You get sentenced based on fact and evidence. He in this case I believe was handed his sentence based on 2 things

1. His intent to do someone harm, injury or bodily harm via the action of throwing said extinguisher from the top of the building, this is very different from saying he attempted to murder someone. I don't think he was attempting murder. I do however think he was intending to cause someone harm / bodily injury. This I think is a fact and could be extrapolated and diagnosed using the available footage of the day.

2. Judge probably thought it was a good opportunity to make an example of this idiot so that other rioting students will think properly about turning up in London and smashing the place up as now they know if they are slightly over zealous they have a good chance of doing time at her majesties pleasure. This is not really justification, but does fulfil the part of sentencing acting as a formidable deterrent for others.
 
The crime of Violent Disorder mentions nothing about endangering people.
1) Where 3 or more persons who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence and the conduct of them (taken together) is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for their personal safety, each of the persons using or threatening unlawful violence is guilty of violent disorder.

2) It is immaterial whether or not the 3 or more use or threaten unlawful violence simultaneously.

3) No person of reasonable firmness need actually be, or be likely to be, present at the scene.

4) Violent disorder may be committed in private as well as in public places.
So just to clarify, you're against organisations like the Bullingdon Club using unlawful violence at dining establishments full of other people and then paying their way out of it so charges aren't pressed? That's pretty much violent conduct you know.


depends what happens did they threaten/throw things at patrons that would reasonably cause harm?
 
He goes to the college just up the road from me.

Some sob story from his mum yesterday about how she hopes he isn't used as an example and how she hopes it hasn't ruined his life. Well, perhaps he should have thought about that before he almost ruined someone elses life!

She went on to say how much of a nice person he his, etc, etc.

His mum should be more worried about how he is going to be used as the prison bitch. I hope she sends him some Hi-Karate soap on a rope so he doesn't have to bend over to pick the soap up from the shower room floors !!!
 
Compared to the sentences for some of those nursery workers this week that sexually abused and took pictures of a 6 month old it could seem a little harsh.
 
Good on the guy's mother for telling him to own up.

"The right of peaceful protest is a precious one. Those who abuse it and use the occasion to indulge in serious violence must expect a lengthy sentence of immediate custody." (Sky News)
It seems that those who use a peaceful protest to indulge in serious violence don't get a lengthy sentence of immediate custody if they happen to be Police Officers :rolleyes:
 
Crimes should not be charged/sentenced based on the circumstances and outcome of other crimes, surely?

So what if others "got off lightly" for their crimes?
 
Compared to the sentences for some of those nursery workers this week that sexually abused and took pictures of a 6 month old it could seem a little harsh.

see my previous post, it only seems harsh because hardcore crimes seem to get lenient sentences. If those more despicable crimes got heavier sentences as they deserve, this one would seem and in my opinion is appropriate. He'll be out in 18 months anyhow
 
"Southwark Crown Court was shown Sky News footage of Woollard dropping the fire extinguisher from the roof." (Sky News)
The BBC's Andy Tighe reports from Southwark Crown Court, where amateur footage was shown of the moment the fire extinguisher was thrown down. (BBC Online)
Shurely shome mishtake . . . unless the BBC are suggesting that Murdoch's Cowboys are amateurs :confused:
 
Or possibly out of the hundreds of people there one had a camera phone recording too?

You know maybe they watched more than 1 video?

Courts are weird like that wanting more than one pice of evidence.
 
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