Student support grants likely to be axed

I am sorry but I think your living in a dream world if you expect not to have to undertake some form of employment during your time at uni.

I did business property management at SHU which is one of the top universities for real estate degrees and had at least 1 part time job while I was at uni and at one point I think I had 3.. I also worked most of the summer. Due to this I had plenty of money to live and undertake social activities. I even carried it on when i had exams and during my third year. I got a high 2:1 in the end.

I am now doing a MSc whilst working full time and am on for a 1st in that.
 
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If they want to study gender and equality studies or the loathed media studies, they can do it with their own money, that is the great future the country voted for.

The employment rate for media studies graduates is actually pretty good. It's actually traditional degrees in arts and humanities that are worth less in the eyes of capitalism. Computer Science is another bad degree for employability.
 
I think the only people that care about universities / grades are students and complete douchebags. That said, people should feel proud of their achievements!

Three degree programmes.

Are you on a second post-graduate course or is this the LPC?

If they want to study gender and equality studies or the loathed media studies, they can do it with their own money, that is the great future the country voted for.

In my ideal world you could get funding for both. I don't think learning should be only be for economic reasons.
 
Yep, it doesn't matter after you get your first job (or a postgrad), except to a few cliquie people.

I know people who've been told they don't qualify for promotion to a job they were actually standing in for and doing for 12 months because "that position requires a degree". I wouldn't be so sure a degree is meaningless after your first job.
 
I am sorry but I think your living in a dream world if you expect not to have to undertake some form of employment during your time at uni.

I did business property management at SHU which is one of the top universities for real estate degrees and had at least 1 part time job while I was at uni and at one point I think I had 3.. I also worked most of the summer. Due to this I had plenty of money to live and undertake social activities. I even carried it on when i had exams and during my third year. I got a high 2:1 in the end.

I am now doing a MSc whilst working full time and am on for a 1st in that.

Aww by saying high 2:1 you mean you missed out on a first and are gutted :p
 
Claim political asylum and come to sweden. It feels like living in Britain in the 80s whe n we still had libraries. Post offices. Public beautification of towns and clean streets and all the basic perks that you would expect from living in the west. Tee hee.

/rose tinted, childhood memories.

Isn't Sweden a multicultural hell hole, and the rape capital of Europe because of it? I've only read this, it may be exaggerated.
 
What's necessarily wrong with peace studies? Presumably it combines things like history, politics, philosophy, law, etc. Interdisciplinary ftw.

What's necessarily wrong with 7 hours of contact a week? Presumably if you think that's bad, you wouldn't employ any of my law grad peers from undergrad. Be thankful they exist and help fund the shiny labs!

oput of curiosity how do law students pay for the labs?

cause from what i found when i was there it was massive companies putting money up in exchange for research.

or once they qualify do law students give donations to the uni?
 
Lmao...

Dat world.

Things are gradually going downhill I think. Lets see in 20 years how it is. Probably worse.

generally things are going up hill tbh.


major point is i don't have to go outside for a **** unlike my dads/granddads generation.

just imagine that you need a poo, its cold and dark and you've got to go outside to a little shed at the bottom of the garden....every damn day


that is seriously a change we take for granted.
 
generally things are going up hill tbh.


major point is i don't have to go outside for a **** unlike my dads/granddads generation.

just imagine that you need a poo, its cold and dark and you've got to go outside to a little shed at the bottom of the garden....every damn day


that is seriously a change we take for granted.

Yup technology has improved.
 
Good it's a stupid system.

Your parents don't have to give you any money and you are no longer considered a child, so why has there wealth got anything to do with how much money you get.
On top of that it's a loan system which is basically a graduate tax, so again why is such a system needed, it hasn't made sense for year.

However the whole system needs a massive overhaul.
If your doing a worthwhile degree that the country needs at a top university, and get a 1st you shouldn't have to pay anything back. Country should take the hit for the benefit of said country.
This still allows people to go to unit who shouldn't be there, still allows people to study stuff that the country has no need fir etc.

Yup, think Loans are fine if we're going to have so many people going to university and so many subjects - some of which might be of little benefit directly to the economy but are of interest to the people studying them. If further funding is required for some students then additional loans should be available... frankly there is no reason why you can't work at university too Students have weeks and weeks of holidays.

Grants work when there are fewer universities and a smaller % of the population attending. If we're aiming to have half the population attending then I think everyone can pay for it themselves. I'm sure we're going to see a shakeup in education anyway - the OU has been around for a while but some of the new online course providers have been pretty innovative and have even started awarding US college credits for some courses. It is plausible that some of them might start offering online distance undergrad degrees at the sort of prices the OU used to charge before the government changed their funding system. Georgia Tech does currently offer a masters course in computer science in partnership with udacity - if more universities start offering similar you could easily see online course prices being very reasonable.
 
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Swap out the grants for loans, you're not preventing poor people from going to university you're just deferring when they pay it back. Which shouldn't be a problem when they start their professional careers.

Besides the majority of students blow their grants on nights out anyway. Realising they'd have to eventually pay it back might make them think twice about blowing it on unnecessary things. If you want money for drinking then get a part time job.

I completely agree but the loan repayment terms also need to be changed going forwards as well. There's no point switching all these grants to loans if only a low percentage of the loan is going to be paid back. Otherwise you may as well just stick to the grant system.

As for the students blowing it all on nights out I think that is relatively true. I think I mixed with a fairly diverse bunch at uni with many people having a family wealthy enough to cater for all their needs and others receiving the maximum grants, loans and bursary available. The thing we all had in common was that we all went out and blew loads of our money drinking and doing random stuff.

Which subjects are useless, and why?

I think there's certain subject which people will go to uni to study just because they want to go to uni for the experience. And I won't hold that against them. But I don't think that should be at the taxpayers expense.

For instance some (not all!) will go and do a drama degree just because they can and have no intention of becoming an actor or teacher or something. Then there's those who do things like American studies, anthropology, film or war studies. Some of which sound like a bit of a doss and more akin to a hobby than something they actually think will be useful to them in their future careers.

Somebody else mentioned above maybe give the grants still to people who want to study certain subjects which will help them people enter professions that the country needs more people qualifying into. For instance nurses, doctors and engineers. I would fully support that but I think the government would need to be a bit savvy about it and put clauses into their loan agreements that they're to work in these sectors for a set number of minimum years within a set period of time following qualification otherwise the grant converts to a loan.

Or perhaps for instance say someone studies English, not knowing what they want to do, but then they go on to study the PGCE with an intention of becoming a teacher. It may then in those scenarios be a good incentive to wipe off some of their student loan as if it was a grant because that person has shown an intention to enter into a profession which is beneficial to the country.
 
Everyone should be entitled to study whatever they want and get the same funding providing the course has some transferable skills. I know loads of people with good degrees at top unis that don't have, for whatever reason, what would be classed as a professional job.

Top uni degree does not equal top economic aspirations. Some people just want to study, and I think that's Ok.

This isn't an argument. There's always exceptions. However certain degrees from top universities, will absolutely benefit the country. It's all about averages, and a couple of examples does not change that.
 
Excellent anecdotal evidence. My brother studied geography, went into social research where he used the specific knowledge gained, and is now a senior civil servant - does that balance out your geography grad anecdotal evidence? How's this gonna work?

You talk about maths, which is broadly seen as a legit degree by everyone - so instead of worthless degrees, are you really complaining about people who complete a degree and choose not to use it? There will be medics who've done that...

You don't seem to understand the point. The point is the system needs to stop being abused and used as an extension of time for people that don't know what to do with their lives. Nowdays its all too easy to simply get on a course borrow 30k and defer the decision for 3 or 4 years. That is what those examples are aimed at, students that simply went to uni because it was easy to do so. So ultimately what purpose does this achieve? It's unnecessary debt on individuals and a tax burden for the government for those that never pay it back. Last I checked it was around 50% of young people entering higher education, are we really deluding ourselves and saying there's a fundamental market requirement for this?

The system is now stuck in a rut because degrees are so devalued that every joe and his dog has one, so in order to progress as an "average" person you need to go through the system, regardless of weather you want or need to.
 
The system is now stuck in a rut because degrees are so devalued that every joe and his dog has one, so in order to progress as an "average" person you need to go through the system, regardless of weather you want or need to.

Totally disagree, people just think this, which is one large area which needs changing, it isn't the only option and people who keep pushing this just make the situation worse.
There's lots of other options, but these aren't well advertised or talked about.
And you can end up with three years of experience which is worth far more than a degree.
 
I know people who've been told they don't qualify for promotion to a job they were actually standing in for and doing for 12 months because "that position requires a degree". I wouldn't be so sure a degree is meaningless after your first job.

I'm not talking about having or not having a degree, rather the university you went to or whether you got a 1st, 2:1 or 2:2.
 
A university education isn't a right.

A poor person can spend 5 years working and use their savings to fund their education.
 
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