Sub 100k Phantom.

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First time i seen a retail Phantom drop below 100k.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201105378826972/

I wonder how low they will go

 

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That guy has some awesome stock.

Yea he's got few nice bits aint he, i cant understand why he's stuck the Phantom up for that, iv seen them make that money at the sales.

Realistically he would sell that car for 95k if you offered, that almost seems a bargain.

 

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Maybe he's got the car on SOR - and the punter wants whatever they want for it and he doesn't want to be greedy?

Maybe, although hes not killing it with any of his prices really is he, maybe he just turns them round quick.

 

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Looks rather grand mark.

do it

I borrowed my mates one for a couple days years ago, apart from the obvious "**** off i am king" factor i didnt like it.

Also that same man has had it painted i think 3 times from vandals, you cant park anywhere, shame really the world we live in.

 

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My cousin had a white one for his wedding on Saturday. Luton to Cardiff and back. Didn't get to see the inside of it. It looked like it needed a good clay and polish as although clean, it wasn't gleaming.

White is a bad colour for gleam mind.

 

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A factor which i had not taken into account I can only imagine the attention they draw in less than desirable area's. Bad enough in the Flying Spur if you go to the wrong places.

You know what though, me nor my partner have had 1 single jot of that in our Bentleys, not once. Worst i had was a kid taking a picture of his girl leaning on mine, and they were very polite so i let her sit in it for a picture.

 

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They just dont have that "LOOK AT ME" image i guess. Its the grille and sheer size of the phantoms. Very striking and very bold.

Thats it Bentley are far more subtle.

Its one of them new Mulsannes i want, i fell in love with them, roll on 3 years

 

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I've only seen the Top Gear review of the Mulsanne but I doubt you'll have many people wanting to damage one of them

Sod the vandal problem i got a wife problem if buy a 200k car i dread to think what she would want in return

 

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Always been in two minds about the Phantom, I’ve never been 100% on the styling and even though I’ve seen these things daily it hasn't really grown on me quite as much as other more radical car styling’s have, however I do love the car for what it can do.

It can go fast in a straight line and be very comfy, i just cant see where the premium over a Flying Spur is deserved, and this new Mulsanne, well its all over, Rolls need to up their game.

 

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New washing machine

If only i'd be on the waiting list tomorrow

 

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I just don't get why RR have such a skinny steering wheel on such an otherwise meaty car :/

They have had a skinny wheel since 1950 Suits the car, dont forget the steering needs little finger pressure to move, you dont need a chunky wheel.

 

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Maybach is not even on the same page for the same reason a Lexus is never going to compete at this level, it just hasnt got the same sense of occasion.

You say about the Bentley being a one up, i could have bought a Phantom, so could my partner, you know why we didnt? Because at 44 im not quite ready to throw in the towel and get a driver. The Rolls just dosent drive as well, in Phantom or Ghost form.

Iv only had the pleasure of an afternoon in a Mulsanne, but let me tell you it ****es all over both of Rolls offerings, thats not true, at this level nothing ****es over anything, but it is better, by a margin, to call it a Chinese imitation is just wrong.

Got to add a bit, that stupid 3 spoke bus steering wheel and back to front rev counter finished me for this incarnation of Rolls Royce's the second i stepped in it. If you are sitting in the back i have no doubt a Phantom is the place to be, but as long as im not banned or too drunk and im still driving, not a chance.

Power reserve in the Ghost my arse, call it what it is, a rev counter.

 

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Aye I understand this but I meant for looks, the skinny wheel just looks dated compared to the rest of the car!

That was their intention, a retro look, sadly they didnt get it right like Bentley did.

 

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I just cant string a post together like that so i concede, but having driven both for a long time i say you are wrong, If you intend to actually drive the car yourself.

As for who was aimed at what, we live in the here and now, and right the Bentley kills it.

You dont just sacrifice a "bit of dynamics" you swap a driving beast for a numb big car.

Also "cad" thats a throw back, i normally get called ****er for my car choices

I keep adding bits, as for an Arnage being the competitor, iv had a couple of those, and they drive better than the Rolls in 2002 facelift guise anyway, so thats a 9 going on 15 year old platform .

 

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I'm not sure the Bentley is the 'cad car' - all the people I've known with RR have been pretty vulgar, while Bentley owners have been a mixed bag.

No point even posting because everyone knows someone.

Anyway i know 2 people with Phantoms, 2 brothers, and neither of them are buying another, both bought them because they could, for the big "**** off im king" factor.

Novelty soon wore off, same brothers went through ever exotic Italian too, not that they could fit in them.

Theres nothing "tasteful" about Phantom buyers same as theres nothing "cad" about Bentley buyers, its all about who wants to spend what on a car, i think PM is wrong differenciating between people with 100k to spend on a car and those with 200k, in my opion there is no difference, its the same set of people.

I know a lot of caked people and no one with 100k is trying to "get one up" on the 200k man, its all ******.

No one saves up for a Phantom, you can either buy one or you cant.

 

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Whilst PMK may well be the eloquent one, you can't beat Mark for delivery!

Thats because im an uneducated *****

 

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The Arnage might have a bit of a Lego look to it, but after 2002 it did drive well, and in those last incarnations with the new gearbox in 2006 or whenever it was, it was a great car.

I still sum up what i said with this, if you want to drive, even in a straight line a Bentley wins, if its all over and time for a driver, last year buy the Rolls, but now with the Mulsanne, it looks good in the back there too.

Lastly it was me that sort of compared a FS when i said i couldnt see a twice the price advantage in the Phantom, which i cant, but thats just us Josh, cos we love Bentley

 

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On the 100k Rolls theme. Does anyone have an idea why 'modern' Rollers hold their prices so damn well?. Take the Sliver Seraph for example. Effectively an old E38 BMW 750iL with more leather and less toys. £50k odd for a 1999/2000 That money would see you in a 05 Arnage which is such a better car in every single way it actually hurts.

As PMK said small numbers for one thing.

Also a Seraph is no more a 7 series than a Cont GT is a Pheaton, you of all people should know that

 

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My point was I think RR as a brand tends to attract people who want to pose and display wealth, while Bentley is not so clear cut. It even attracts people who like cars.

I'll post if I want. I was reflecting on quite a lot of people not someone. In the industry I'm in, there are a lot of people with new money who see having a roller as an end goal.

Really sorry, that didnt come out right, i meant no point me banging on about knowing someone with one, i was actually agreeing with everything you said there, sorry again mate

 

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I am a little confused about the market this car is aimed at.

How many people can afford the considerable running costs of the Phantom, have £100,000 available yet... would be happy with a 7 year old one?

It's gotta be the 'undesireable types' mentioned in this thread surely? The typical Phanton buyers will just buy a new one?

Basically the 100k Phantom is aimed at the people that cant quite stomach the new price, those that dont want to blow their brains out with depreciation.

Obviously there are a lot of people that just dont care, but there are many many more people with money that havent lost grip of common sense.

The man above mentioned the building process, yea thats nice but apart from the factory trips (which me personally i couldnt be arsed with anyway) you buy a used one that suits you, whats the difference? You still end up with a car in the colour you wanted. If banana yellow with zebra wood and pink leather aint your thing, you just dont buy it do you.

The bit im at pains to point out and obviously not doing very well is this, there is no special sub section of society, undesirable or not buying 100k cars, they are in the same boat as the people buying 200k
cars, there are just horses for courses.

Another thing, these "undesirable types" are we talking about drug dealers? bank robbers? (sadly a dieing breed, bless) who we actually talking about?
Bear in mind you successful criminal actually wants to keep his head down, not drive round in a Phantom, im not talking about Bad Bwoy Billy from Stoke Newington selling a few rocks in his 7 series with gangster tints, that poor sod probably earns less than you Fox when you take into account down time when he cant score and holidays in the nick.

Im talking about the man who's bang at it earning Phantom money, thats the last car he's buying, he's buying a Discovery to blend in.

Im not sure what an undesirable Phantom type is to be honest.