Sucker Punch

You guys are doing it wrong!

I saw it with a beer in hand at a late night showing at the BFI IMAX, and it was absolutely stupendously enjoyable. Great soundtrack which really stands out on the 12k system they have. Great picture, beautifully shot and great effects. Lovely ladies, slick and exciting fights. Sinister baddie who created great tension. Clever (ish) metaphors throughout. And I found the ending genuinely upsetting and unjust for baby doll ( :( :o ).

Overall 5 stars, confirmed by the big grins throughout on mine and my two male friends' faces :D

Old fogies will almost certainly find it vacuous and masturbatory. It's a young man's film ;)
 
I don't agree at all. The theme of strong (young) women is inevitable if the setting is a mental asylum for troubled ladies, and I don't believe this was the purpose anyway. It's just far more fun than an equivalent film set in an asylum for young men, and appeals to both genders (thus selling more tix). Female camaraderie perhaps, but not the girl-power of the Spice Girls.
 
Ok having read the wiki page I'm happy to admit I probably misinterpreted the girl power themes.

Particularly as stated here;

Michael Phillips of The Chicago Tribune stated that "Zack Snyder must have known in preproduction that his greasy collection of near-rape fantasies and violent revenge scenarios disguised as a female-empowerment fairy tale wasn't going to satisfy anyone but himself."

Well himself and joeyjojo... ;) :D

Although I suspect Zack Snyder probably DID think it would appeal to girls, and he basically just got it wrong. Very wrong.

Sucker Punch received mostly unfavorable reviews, while a small number of critics described it, by way of contrast, as a very unusual reflective work that only apparently is based on certain common stereotypes of popular culture.[77] Rotten Tomatoes reports that only 22% of 182 critics have given the film positive reviews.[78] As of 6 April 2011, the film holds a 33 out of 100 on Metacritic, signifying "Generally Unfavorable" reviews among 29 critics.[79] Although Snyder himself had claimed that he wanted the film to "be a cool story and not just like a video game where you’re just loose and going nuts,"[71] some critics compared the film unfavorably to a video game in their reviews. Richard Roeper gave the film a D, saying that it "proves a movie can be loud, action-packed and filled with beautiful young women—and still bore you to tears."[80] The Orlando Sentinel gave the movie one out of four stars calling it "an unerotic unthrilling erotic thriller in the video game mold".[81] The A.V. Club's Nathan Rabin wrote, "with its quests to retrieve magical totems, clearly demarcated levels, and non-stop action, Snyder’s clattering concoction sometimes feels less like a movie than an extended, elaborate trailer for its redundant videogame adaptation."[82]

Sucker Punch has also drawn criticism for its depiction of women. Critics have described the movie as misogynistic and others have expressed concern over its treatment of sexual violence. Michael Phillips of The Chicago Tribune stated that "Zack Snyder must have known in preproduction that his greasy collection of near-rape fantasies and violent revenge scenarios disguised as a female-empowerment fairy tale wasn't going to satisfy anyone but himself."[83] St. Petersburg Times critic Steve Persall found that the most offensive fact about the film was that it "suggests that all this objectification of women makes them stronger. It's supposed to be reassuring that men who beat, berate, molest and kill these women will get what's coming to them. Just wait, Snyder says, but in the meantime here's another femininity insult to keep you occupied."[84] A.O. Scott of The New York Times described the film as a "fantasia of misogyny" that pretends to be a "feminist fable of empowerment" and found that the film's treatment of sexual violence was problematic.[85] Peter Debruge of Variety argued that the film is "misleadingly positioned as female empowerment despite clearly having been hatched as fantasy fodder for 13-year-old guys" and that the fact that the young women in the movie are "under constant threat of being raped or murdered" makes the film "highly inappropriate for young viewers."[86] However, Betsy Sharkey of The Los Angeles Times suggested that the film neither objectifies nor empowers women and that instead it is a "wonderfully wild provocation — an imperfect, overlong, intemperate and utterly absorbing romp through the id that I wouldn't have missed for the world."[87] Meanwhile, in a retrospective article about the critical reception of Sucker Punch, James MacDowell of Alternate Takes has claimed that the film is "one of the most widely misunderstood films of recent years", arguing that it does not in fact aim to offer female 'empowerment', but is instead "a deeply pessimistic analysis of female oppression" because it makes clear that, "just as men organize the dances, so do they control the terms of the fight scenes; in neither do the women have true agency, only an illusion of it."[77]
 
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I want to see it, my ability to enjoy mindless violence is high. A storyline will only get in the way of this. Attractive girls is only a plus.
 
You guys are doing it wrong!

I saw it with a beer in hand at a late night showing at the BFI IMAX, and it was absolutely stupendously enjoyable. Great soundtrack which really stands out on the 12k system they have. Great picture, beautifully shot and great effects. Lovely ladies, slick and exciting fights. Sinister baddie who created great tension. Clever (ish) metaphors throughout. And I found the ending genuinely upsetting and unjust for baby doll ( :( :o ).

Overall 5 stars, confirmed by the big grins throughout on mine and my two male friends' faces :D

Old fogies will almost certainly find it vacuous and masturbatory. It's a young man's film ;)

The ending isn't that depressing.

***spoiler***


I get the other girls mixed up, but I think it's Sweet Pea that escapes. However Sweet Pea, like the whole brothel fantasy, is all in Baby Doll's head, and the idea is that in being lobotomised in the real world, she was able to get rid/let go of the guilt of killing her sister by accident. Sweet Pea and her sister Rocket (who gets killed due to her sister's actions...sound familiar?) are projections of herself, so when Sweet Pea gets on the bus and is helped by the old geezer and is going on a journey, it's just Baby Doll mentally going on the path of recovery, still getting the aid from she got in the various sub-fantasies from him. That's just a cliff-notes version.

I think the problem with the film is three-fold:
1) things like the above weren't clear enough on first viewing for many people
2) the 'mission' fantasies were out of place given the main characters background. If she was a comics nerd or something it might haves seemed less tacked on. Also the exposition in the missions felt too unrelated to the jobs the characters needed to do in the brothel layer of fantasy
3) the brothel level of delusion is just thrown in without any build up, and we're left to presume what's actually happening in the real world.
 
I don't recall any mention in the movie that Sweet Pea and Rocket are sisters. I only recall that Rocket said that after she ran away Sweet Pea followed.

Not at all saying you're wrong (since your interpretation clearly makes perfect sense in retrospect), just wondering specifically where the sister reference was? (or is it just to be assumed?) :confused:

Very nice analysis btw. :)
 
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I don't recall any mention in the movie that Sweet Pea and Rocket are sisters. I only recall that Rocket said that after she ran away Sweet Pea followed.

Not at all saying you're wrong (since your interpretation clearly makes perfect sense in retrospect), just wondering specifically where the sister reference was? (or is it just to be assumed?) :confused:

Very nice analysis btw. :)

I got the distinct impression that Rocket and Sweet Pea were sisters as well, I can't remember if it was explicitly stated though.
 
What were you expecting?

It's an eyecandy/CGI fest/action flick with hot chicks in various sexually charged outfits.

Watch it for what it is, it's not some deep story driven masterpiece.

Edit - I've got dibs on Sweet Pea, sorry guys :D
 
I don't recall any mention in the movie that Sweet Pea and Rocket are sisters. I only recall that Rocket said that after she ran away Sweet Pea followed.

Not at all saying you're wrong (since your interpretation clearly makes perfect sense in retrospect), just wondering specifically where the sister reference was? (or is it just to be assumed?) :confused:

Very nice analysis btw. :)


As Sweet Pea narrates, it's a no brainer IMO that it's all in her mind, not Baby-Dolls. The rest of the plot is a bit open to interpretation and I don't know that even Snyder had it clear in his mind which 'dream level' was the real one as there are flaws with every theory I have read so far.

Sweat Pea and Rocket are Sisters IMO; note that three times Rocket gets into trouble because of her fearlessness and Sweet pea has to save her, which is an allegory for what happens with Baby Doll and her sister. The third time on the train she cannot save her, same as Baby Doll and her sister.

There's definitely a mapping of some sort between Baby-Doll + Sister and Sweet Pea / Rocket.
 
What were you expecting?

Watch it for what it is, it's not some deep story driven masterpiece.

THIS.

Although, there is a story to be discovered, unlike, say, armageddon, Transformers or DOA: Dead or Alive which are all 'leave your Brain at the door' type movies.

I think Snyder tried to pitch to both levels and failed; we are left with neither one thing nor the other, but I still enjoyed it a very lot.
 
What were you expecting?

It's an eyecandy/CGI fest/action flick with hot chicks in various sexually charged outfits.

Watch it for what it is, it's not some deep story driven masterpiece.

Edit - I've got dibs on Sweet Pea, sorry guys :D

There are Sweet Pea/Jena Malone noodz online if you're that enamoured, one of those high fashion mag shoots. The joys of having Egotastic and The Superficial on your RSS, lawl.
 
Ok all you clever people who think you have this movie figured out...

Baby Doll + sister were an invention of Sweet Pea's to help her deal with her situation with her own sister (Rocket). Correct?

So this accounts for Sweet Pea, Rocket & Baby Doll.

But how exactly does Amber come into this? She seems uneccesary as a main character in this fantasy. Unless I'm missing something?
 
Ok all you clever people who think you have this movie figured out...

Baby Doll + sister were an invention of Sweet Pea's to help her deal with her situation with her own sister (Rocket). Correct?

So this accounts for Sweet Pea, Rocket & Baby Doll.

But how exactly does Amber come into this? She seems uneccesary as a main character in this fantasy. Unless I'm missing something?

She was hot.

/thread
 
As Sweet Pea narrates, it's a no brainer IMO that it's all in her mind, not Baby-Dolls.

This, although I don't subscribe to the all in a mind theory anyway.


I loved it, and the soundtrack, I watched the uncut edition later, and it is even better, a lot more explanation.
 
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