Super low budget first PC? Secondhand? ESO

Thanks for the replies.

Still confused about the windows thing, are the ones for 15-40£ ish when I google not legit?

I had a bit more of a look into the dell, and maybe wasn't as good as I first thought but probably still cheaper than buying parts. They seem to have been taken off but I'll keep an eye on that site thx. If it lasted me 6years with just the upgrades you've done I'd be more than happy.

I know GG isn't ideal but will get me started I think and allow me to spend a bit more on the PC. I'm use to gaming on it, but bit worried it won't be easy on the eyes with something like word processing.
I don't know anyone who PC games, and a popular auction site and local online secondhand selling place look like a minefield...

I don't have anything worth mentioning, so I'd need everything including a mouse pad. I don't know what cadge is, but windows 10 would be better?


Pretty sure I'll be setting a strict £1k budget, with 8gb ram, and looking to add another 8gb, an SSD and a monitor in the next 3 months or so.
 
If you're planning on gaming at 1080p this will last a long time, add a Windows 10 key for £20 or so (check Pauls Hardware on Youtube for a video on where to get it from), you'll be set for a good while.

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £986.57
(includes shipping: £11.70)



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Daaaveee said:
If you're planning on gaming at 1080p this will last a long time, add a Windows 10 key for £20 or so (check Pauls Hardware on Youtube for a video on where to get it from), you'll be set for a good while.

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £986.57
(includes shipping: £11.70)



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dropping to ASRock or MSI £109 saves some pennies as well :)- team Group Vulcan 3000hz 16GB another £10 :D
 
Sorry bad advice earlier- I have 1 'pc part' I'd like to use. I have Astro A40 headset I'd like to use, I'm pretty sure it's 'PC compatible' but not sure what connection I'd need- think it currently uses optical.



Daaaveee said:
If you're planning on gaming at 1080p this will last a long time, add a Windows 10 key for £20 or so (check Pauls Hardware on Youtube for a video on where to get it from), you'll be set for a good while.

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £986.57
(includes shipping: £11.70)



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Thanks.
From having a look on my own I was thinking something very similar, the new CPU look like they're good value for money, only things I'd question are below, not saying it's wrong I'm just the type to like to know why I'm buying something :)

1. should I bother with 16gb ram from the start or get 8 with a view to add more later? The i5 doesn't benefit from anything over 2666 ram from what I was reading earlier, or is that not right?
2. Any benefits to going to a better PSU?
3. Worth adding a SSD later on so I can get something better now? Say a better Graphics card or something? Or a k series cpu so in a year or 2 I wouldn't have to buy a new one if I wanted to try over clocking?
4. I'm use to pressing 7+ buttons with my right hand, plus a thumb stick. Would I be better off looking at a fancier mouse with lots of buttons? I know I said a strict 1k budget but I'm already cheating by not including mouse and keyboard in that lol.

Tyvm for the help.
 
IOnlyPlayXbox said:
Sorry bad advice earlier- I have 1 'pc part' I'd like to use. I have Astro A40 headset I'd like to use, I'm pretty sure it's 'PC compatible' but not sure what connection I'd need- think it currently uses optical.

Thanks.
From having a look on my own I was thinking something very similar, the new CPU look like they're good value for money, only things I'd question are below, not saying it's wrong I'm just the type to like to know why I'm buying something :)

1. should I bother with 16gb ram from the start or get 8 with a view to add more later? The i5 doesn't benefit from anything over 2666 ram from what I was reading earlier, or is that not right?
2. Any benefits to going to a better PSU?
3. Worth adding a SSD later on so I can get something better now? Say a better Graphics card or something? Or a k series cpu so in a year or 2 I wouldn't have to buy a new one if I wanted to try over clocking?
4. I'm use to pressing 7+ buttons with my right hand, plus a thumb stick. Would I be better off looking at a fancier mouse with lots of buttons? I know I said a strict 1k budget but I'm already cheating by not including mouse and keyboard in that lol.

Tyvm for the help.
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most of the time its cheaper to buy 16GB from the start- worth googling but you'll see Ram prices - any type are increasing from last 18 months- got a 1TB SSD £150 now the are £300 odd - same with System ram- Products like phones/tablets switching to DDR3/4 and laptops now all using them as pretty much standard.

push for it- if your jumping high in ram speeds then it does make a difference - but in gaming not to much- going from 2666 to 4200 ram is almost doubled but then is the cost . you can always have a play with overclocking your ram to! Intel loves Timings!

with PSUs- most are made in a handful of factories- you pay for branding as well as parts that go in. Superflower our able to offer the cheapest Plat rated PSU and its damn good - but compared to their mainstream Units- some components are as premium, like not using Solid Jap Caps etc etc

with the SSD - same as the ram- prices will creep up but you'll always see more performance increasing Gaming with a better GPU then an SSD! although load times may be a bit longer :D and you can always clone drives over :D
 
Good info, thanks. It's all quite confusing for us non PC people but I think I'm getting there.

So after I think I feel I'm going over the top a bit, and it would be nice to to have to use finance. As long as I get 30FPS on low setting 1080p I will at least be getting a similar gaming experience to Xbox? It will let me try PC gaming, and get all the word processing etc done I need to.

So Dell outlet have some very cheap boxes at the moment, will it do the job for now?
£250 ish. I3 7100, 8gb ram (1x8gb though?), 1TB HDD, windows etc. Then I could add something like a 1050ti for £140? Probably a 24" monitor for £110, keyboard and mouse £30 or something and I'm all done for £530, add an SSD around Christmas and then if I like the whole PC thing then get saving for a nicer one in a year or so.

Thanks
 
IOnlyPlayXbox said:
Good info, thanks. It's all quite confusing for us non PC people but I think I'm getting there.

So after I think I feel I'm going over the top a bit, and it would be nice to to have to use finance. As long as I get 30FPS on low setting 1080p I will at least be getting a similar gaming experience to Xbox? It will let me try PC gaming, and get all the word processing etc done I need to.

So Dell outlet have some very cheap boxes at the moment, will it do the job for now?
£250 ish. I3 7100, 8gb ram (1x8gb though?), 1TB HDD, windows etc. Then I could add something like a 1050ti for £140? Probably a 24" monitor for £110, keyboard and mouse £30 or something and I'm all done for £530, add an SSD around Christmas and then if I like the whole PC thing then get saving for a nicer one in a year or so.

Thanks
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yep you are well on the way to the horrible mountain all of us here face.. and it's very slippy!!! The next challenge is getting it past the other half, and say it's a 'crucial' update!
 
IOnlyPlayXbox said:
Good info, thanks. It's all quite confusing for us non PC people but I think I'm getting there.

So after I think I feel I'm going over the top a bit, and it would be nice to to have to use finance. As long as I get 30FPS on low setting 1080p I will at least be getting a similar gaming experience to Xbox? It will let me try PC gaming, and get all the word processing etc done I need to.

So Dell outlet have some very cheap boxes at the moment, will it do the job for now?
£250 ish. I3 7100, 8gb ram (1x8gb though?), 1TB HDD, windows etc. Then I could add something like a 1050ti for £140? Probably a 24" monitor for £110, keyboard and mouse £30 or something and I'm all done for £530, add an SSD around Christmas and then if I like the whole PC thing then get saving for a nicer one in a year or so.

Thanks
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could be a fair shout , its normally @ExoMale that quotes pre-built from OCUK i think :D might be able to get one in line with your budget and not a dell :D

but sound logic - would need 2 sticks of ram! last 4 gens of intels get crippled if your only running one stick or one channel of ram
 
I have an iso of my windows and codes I saved from computers I scrapped ie taken the most valuable part before it gets crushed at the tip, never had any issues what so ever, I do own a 8.1 disc/code that came from a prebuilt I purchased before, but rarely use it as I stick to win 7...... What you don’t want to do is buy codes etc off the bay, I did that once for couple quid and never worked, even the replacement they sent didn’t work.


As for the pre-built suggestions, I do spec them, but only when others have spec a self build mainly, while I do like built systems I am capable of building however I don’t assume everyone else is, but anyways I probably wouldn’t go for a Dell unless it’s some 1155 socket vostro unless new dell models use skylake? Or a dell in general, I’ve had a few and can’t do too much with most, but if you get on gum you could find some decent systems for under £100 or oldish gaming systems for £150-250, my system in my sig cost me £110 in total which basically I added the hdd, gpu, psu, upgraded the ram, the tower originally costed £35. You got plenty of options for what you want though either way
 
I've had a look before on Gum, and again just now, but it feels very confusing when you don't know what part numbers are what etc, then you've got the risk of buying something secondhand. I did find some i5 2500s or whatever they are, but didn't look good value.
Best I found was
AMD 8320, a cooler, 8gb ddr3, gtx 780, PSU, case, etc, windows 10
£360
+20 for 120gb SSD (instead of hdd? Not sure) +20 for another 8gb ram.
No monitor or anything.

Dell refurbished
I3 7100 (1151 I'm pretty sure), 8gb ram (1x 8gb 2400 ddr4 I think), Dell PSU and case etc, windows 10
£250. No graphics card, SSD, monitor etc.
1050ti £140 ish would make £390 total





So pros of the second hand one,
£30 less
Better graphics card?
Proper case and PSU?
Cheap to add more ram and SSD if at the same time as buying
Cooler

Cons
Secondhand (a good few years old?)
Slower CPU?
Older ram (but might be better than the 1x stick in the Dell?)
I'd have to drive to go collect it


So roughly the same monies, each with pros and cons. As secondhand isn't a clear winner (it might be if I knew what I was looking at and could hunt for a better bargain!) I'm tempted to go for the new/ refurbished one. I know it's only a Dell and it's pretty crap, but at that kind of money I can justify it as a temporary thing I think.
 
Ha, you think I'd last a whole 2 years? :p

Sorry are you saying you think a secondhand proper gaming PC will be better than the new/refurbished budget one?

Am I allowed to link to a secondhand advert on another site? I can't seem to copy the description to paste here
 
never owned one and do like older tech, but i wouldnt spend £360 on that FX system, if you look hard enough and maybe extend your radius you will find an Haswell setup with an i5 K , still a lot of system, but i wouldnt pay £360 for it even if it came with a monitor.

the dell is a skylake spec indeed, but what dell is it as a lot have a cap on 25-40w for the graphics card slow? i had an older 775 Optiplex SFF and it wouldnt accept an R7 240 and a 1050ti is more powerful.


nothing wrong with 2nd hand either, ive had my system(sig) for a week plus with no problems, my 775 system ive got had an issue reading full memory which was a system purchased days before my veriton, but it didnt cost that much to buy the parts and build, so if anything be concerned about anything older than 1155 socket or older than FM range and any highish range systems with a green label corsair CX power supply and a corsair VS and especially those ive seen that use crap branded like ACE with a 6 or 8 core processor and 970 etc, so that last bit is another thing to look at, what power supply does that custom system with the 8 core amd have in it?
 
IOnlyPlayXbox said:
Ha, you think I'd last a whole 2 years? :p

Sorry are you saying you think a secondhand proper gaming PC will be better than the new/refurbished budget one?

Am I allowed to link to a secondhand advert on another site? I can't seem to copy the description to paste here
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in away a refurb is second hand to an extent, its basically someone taking things apart to either clean or replace internals like the inside of a power supply for example or replace the pins on the cpu part etc, theres no guarantee how long that will last than you buying a system off one of us.


you can copy and paste the description, but any chance of a competitor then its a no no.
 
IOnlyPlayXbox said:
Ha, you think I'd last a whole 2 years? :p

Sorry are you saying you think a secondhand proper gaming PC will be better than the new/refurbished budget one?

Am I allowed to link to a secondhand advert on another site? I can't seem to copy the description to paste here
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touch choices, AMD really did come in hard on pricing ! again its been all about market sure for them so I dont think they are making hugo profit per cpu or mobo chip to get people on board- specially at around £250 you can have a new core set up if you already have a pc for it to go in.

Intels second hand market or pc market was good, wondering if coffee lake will drop the pricing of them now
 
Sorry all a lot to take in, I don't understand half of what you said to be honest lol.
Sounds like the Dell can't power a good graphics card, so I'd have to change the PSU, and question mark on if that would fit in the Dell case?
I know what you're saying about a refurb, but it's better than secondhand, some help if it goes wrong etc.

It won't let me copy paste descriptions which is a pain, but what about spending a bit more, there's a i5 4690k, cooler, 970 graphics card, 16gb ram, evga gold PSU, 120gb SSD etc. Comes with a fancy monitor (curved might not be my thing but I could try it) fancy mouse and keyboard for £700. By the time I'd got a graphics card, basic monitor and half decent mouse etc for the Dell I reckon I'd be at £600ish so...
 
IOnlyPlayXbox said:
Sorry all a lot to take in, I don't understand half of what you said to be honest lol.
Sounds like the Dell can't power a good graphics card, so I'd have to change the PSU, and question mark on if that would fit in the Dell case?
I know what you're saying about a refurb, but it's better than secondhand, some help if it goes wrong etc.

It won't let me copy paste descriptions which is a pain, but what about spending a bit more, there's a i5 4690k, cooler, 970 graphics card, 16gb ram, evga gold PSU, 120gb SSD etc. Comes with a fancy monitor (curved might not be my thing but I could try it) fancy mouse and keyboard for £700. By the time I'd got a graphics card, basic monitor and half decent mouse etc for the Dell I reckon I'd be at £600ish so...
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first off what is the Dell model? im not sure if you already posted in the thread, mean if its a mini tower that supports atx power supplies then maybe it wont have that power limit as they tend to have slightly more powerful units, however not all dells take aftermarket parts and from experience its a pig to get them to fit aswell.

you can go to a shop like cex and cash converters and buy a computer(overpriced mind) that offers warranty being a shop, but are usually used items rather than refurb, but its not like its hard to buy replacement parts and fit them, hell even bran spanking new systems are not immune from faults, i wouldnt get too hung up on it.

hmm im not quite sure that system worth £700? mean it has an haswell processor from 2014, while that tech can go up and down with the pricing, you can get a 970 from £70 if you get lucky or £120 usually cheapest, but you could build a ryzen system with a 1060 that would better than used one, i wouldnt get too hung up on the dell still either, you need to make sure things will actually fit, they not like HP or acer who are more customisable, also this goes against your original topic? dont go spending too much for that game, its an average game plus even my £110 system could run that fairly well going by what the system requirements are.


but here is an example if you really did want to go full hog and be prepared to spend £700 on a computer then these are couple examples from this site for a ready built and a DIY


this is an example without windows just because that can be found cheaper and to give a better overall system for the money as far as intel goes

My basket at Overclockers UK:
  • 1 x Titan Kestrel Mini ITX Gaming PC - Intel Core i3/i5/i7 = £681.97
    • Case:Cougar QBX Mini-ITX Cube Chassis - Black
    • Lighting:BitFenix Alchemy 2.0 Magnetic Connect 15 LED-Strip 30cm - Purple
    • Operating System:Unwanted
    • Build Time:Standard Build Systems - Dispatched within 7 working days
    • Optical Drive **Please Check Case Support**:Asus External Slimline DVD Re-Writer, USB, 8x, Black, Cyberlink Power2Go 7 - Black (SDRW-08D2S-U LIT
    • Secondary Mechanical Hard Drive:Unwanted
    • Processor:Intel Core i5-6600 3.30GHz (Skylake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail
    • Memory:Team Group Vulcan T-Force 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C14 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD48G2400
    • Security Software:Unwanted
    • Primary Solid State Drive / Hard Drive:Seagate BarraCuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache HDD - OEM (ST2000DM006)
    • Graphics card:HIS Radeon RX 460 OC 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card

Total: £696.07
(includes shipping: £14.10)



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heres another intel that has windows 10 pre-selected, the pentium G of this skylake range are all 2 core 4 threads like an i3, so really only an i5 is better upgrade, but not really £130 worth, the 1050ti is better than the rx 460 and would be better than majority listed for that game

My basket at Overclockers UK:
  • 1 x OcUK Kinetic H1 - Intel H110 Configurable Skylake Micro ATX DDR4 Gaming PC = £671.02
    • Processor:Intel Pentium Dual Core G4500 3.50GHz (Skylake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - Retail
    • Operating System:Microsoft Windows 10 64-Bit DVD - OEM (MS-KW9-00139)
    • Storage Mechanical Hard Drive:Seagate BarraCuda 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache HDD - OEM (ST2000DM006)
    • Build Time:Standard Build Systems - Dispatched within 7 working days
    • Optical Drive **Not Compatible with Kolink Victory Case**:Asus External Slimline DVD Re-Writer, USB, 8x, Black, Cyberlink Power2Go 7 - Black (SDRW-08D2S-U LIT
    • WIFI:Unwanted
    • Case:Kolink Victory Micro-ATX Gaming Case - Black
    • Memory:Team Group Vulcan T-Force 8GB (2x4GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C14 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD48G2400
    • Graphics Card:Asus GeForce GTX 1050Ti Phoenix 4096MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card
    • Primary Solid State Drive / Hard Drive:Kingston 240GB SSDNow UV400 Drive SATA 6Gb/s 2.5" (7mm height) Solid State Hard Drive - (SUV400S37/2
    • Security Software:Unwanted

Total: £685.12
(includes shipping: £14.10)



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and hes a DIY build with ryzen, the 1060 would be more than youd need really, but for £700 it be rude not to include one and given no need for fancy motherboards, i was able to fit the slightly more costly usb install of windows.

My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £698.62
(includes shipping: £11.70)



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my vote would be the ryzen and not because i chose the parts, just simply if i had £700 i would buy a used system unless it came with a fancy big screem etc.
 
I’m always on gum looking for stuff and while these are from a 50 radius round my devon village these are potential on what you can get if you look around.


Thermaltake Core V21 Case
MSI Z170M Mortor Micro ATX LGA 1151 Motherboard
Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Unlocked processor
RAIJINTEK CPU Air Cooler
Crucial Ballistix Tactical 8GB (1x8GB) DDR4 2666 Memory
Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
WD Caviar Blue 2 x 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drives
Gigabyte Radeon RX460 4GB Windforce OC Video Card
EVGA SuperNOVA G2 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX PSU
AOC I2369Vm 24 Monitor (No dead pixels

This is up for £550
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Intel® Core™ i7-4770K Processor(8M Cache, up to 3.90 GHz)
GeForce GTX 970 GAMING 4G Graphics Card
HyperX Fury 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR3 1866 MHz RAM
MSI H97 PC Mate Intel LGA1150 H97 ATX Motherboard
EVGA 600W PSU
WD Blue 1TB Desktop Hard Disk Drive
SanDisk SSD PLUS 240 GB
Windows 10 64 bit
Cooler Master Seidon 240V CPU Liquid Cooler, 240mm Radiator
Sama Ark ATX Full Tower Gaming Case plus 3x RGB 120mm Cooling Fans

This one seems a tad high at £700? But better that your i5 version you mentioned.
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add 40£ get 22" AOC monitor
add 120£ for samsung 28" tv UE28j4100 model (very good condition)

i5 4670k +-200£
gtx 1060 6gb mini +-200£
8gb corsair vengeance ram
1tb hdd
250gb ssd (80£ approx)
very quiet fan
corsair 600w 80+
fractal node 304
windows 10 genuine
free keyboard and mouse

This is a nice one, never understand why people feel the need to tell us how much they paid or how much certain parts are worth though, but this person is selling it for £530.

Like I said these are within 50 miles of me, so devon, Cornwall, Wales, Somerset, but more choice if your further up north and better pricing usually.
 
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