Supermarket fuels

It's annoying that cars which can benefit from super unleaded say "98RON" on the filler cap, but most UK stations only sell 97RON. From memory, the following stations sell 97RON:

BP
Sainsbury's
Esso
Texaco

Tesco and Shell sell 99RON which means nobody in the UK sells 98. Am I overthinking this? Does it matter?
 
On longer journeys e.g. the rare occasions when I am doing 100 miles+ then the extra mpg (and no reduced performance) is of benefit. The rest of the time my journeys are short (between 5 and 20 miles) and there is very little benefit to be had - therefore the money saved is better off in my pocket.

The money saved is trivial, but surely it matters not whether you use a tank of fuel in one trip or over one month, it's still a tank of fuel therefore the extra mpg has a similar effect.

We are talking what 3 quid a tank!?
 
It's never misfired then - those engines will log misfire counts.

They don't always, they only log misfire fault codes when the engine is under load.

My sister's S3 had a misfire every second counting up on the misfire counter at idle but no fault code was logged for this until it started misfiring further up the revs when driving.
 
[TW]Fox;28852461 said:
The money saved is trivial, but surely it matters not whether you use a tank of fuel in one trip or over one month, it's still a tank of fuel therefore the extra mpg has a similar effect.

I know what your saying, but over a 5 mile journey where the barely gets up to temperature anyway, I'm not sure it matters what fuel it's running on - MPG is poor either way.


[TW]Fox;28852461 said:
We are talking what 3 quid a tank!?

Around £5.50 actually :)
 
IMHO use the posh stuff either all the time or not at all. I ran a few tankfuls through my old ST220 and it made not a blind bit of difference to anything, so I stopped.

But I only ever fill up my current car with Shell V Power Nitro+. A) because higher octane fuels are recommended by Bluefin as a result of the remap and I like to get the best out of my car and B) if the extra additives and whatnot help even the tiniest bit towards preventing any future coking issues (it's a direct injection engine) then it's worth the extra couple of quid per tank to me :).

I've never noticed any fuel economy differences when switching between standard and V Power on any of my cars though.
 
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Surely shorter urban journeys are where the benefits of Super are likely to be more, erm, beneficial anyway? Not that I'm an expert!
 
[TW]Fox;28852799 said:
But it's proportional...

It maybe is after the engine is up to temperature, but below that point I honestly don't think it makes any difference. The engine neither warms up quicker or returns any higher mpg on a short journey.

On a longer journey the extra MPG is noticeable (and was the same when I had the Cooper S - on 95RON the book MPG was unobtainable, on Super you could surpass it)



[TW]Fox;28852799 said:
You buy 110 litres of fuel at a time!?

Tesco and Sainsburys super is 5p a litre more than regular..

60 litre tank and nearly 10p/litre difference (based on a quick comparison @ petrolprices.com).
 
It maybe is after the engine is up to temperature, but below that point I honestly don't think it makes any difference. The engine neither warms up quicker or returns any higher mpg on a short journey.

On a longer journey the extra MPG is noticeable (and was the same when I had the Cooper S - on 95RON the book MPG was unobtainable, on Super you could surpass it)

Town driving is so variable it’s impossible to come to any sort of meaningful conclusion either way. However it’s unlikely your car demonstrates a difference on one journey type but not another. If the car recommends Super, use Super. If it doesn’t, don’t use it. It is likely that you’ve actually noticed is a few mpg difference on long journeys, which represents perhaps a 5% improvement. Therefore when you are doing 20mpg around town that 5% becomes 0.5mpg, or ‘not noticeable.

But of course 5% over a tank is 5% over a tank regardless of whether you use the tank in two days on a long trip or three weeks around town, which is why your point doesn’t seem to make much sense.


60 litre tank and nearly 10p/litre difference (based on a quick comparison @ petrolprices.com).

Do you buy your petrol from petrolprices.com? No, you don’t :p

The only sensible comparison that makes sense is the difference in price at the filling stations you actually use (The difference on Petrolprices.com is accounted for by the fact each end of the scale is skewed – by very cheap fuel stations such as Asda which do not retail SUL and very expensive stations that do). I have never, ever paid 10p a litre more than regular for Super Unleaded. At Sainsburys, Tesco etc it’s 5p a litre different which on a 60 litre tank is under 3 quid a fill.

At 3 quid a fill, if the car recommends it, use it. If it doesn’t, don’t ever use it. It’s that simple and if the 3 quid every few weeks is such a big deal perhaps buy a 106 1.1 instead :p
 
[TW]Fox;28853057 said:
But of course 5% over a tank is 5% over a tank regardless of whether you use the tank in two days on a long trip or three weeks around town, which is why your point doesn’t seem to make much sense.

In my head though the warm up part of the journey is always going to use X amount of fuel and return the same MPG (as the engine is not running optimally, overfuelling and running "safer" timings etc) - once the engine is warm the engine then switches to optimum settings getting the best out of whatever fuel you are running on. Therefore over one long journey you have one warm up period followed by long periods of optimum fuel use, vs lots of short journeys that have warm up periods with no optimum fuel use periods.



[TW]Fox;28853057 said:
Do you buy your petrol from petrolprices.com? No, you don’t :p

No I don't :p I also don't tend to take much notice of what the current price is - my thought process is normally as simple as 50 miles remaining in tank, must go and put some petrol in.

[TW]Fox;28853057 said:
At 3 quid a fill, if the car recommends it, use it. If it doesn’t, don’t ever use it.

Put like that it does seem stupid to do anything else.

Question is how far do you go with it, it it worth another X amount more to go from supermarket Super unleaded to BP Ultimate / Shell VPower etc?


[TW]Fox;28853057 said:
It’s that simple and if the 3 quid every few weeks is such a big deal perhaps buy a 106 1.1 instead :p

Our 2nd car is a 1.25 fiesta so I don't think there would be much difference. I also don't see a need to go French at this point in my life :D
 
Supermarket fuel usually comes from the cheapest supplier at the time and they will mix fuel from different suppliers. The branded names use a regular supplier and do not mix fuel...

Bit of a generalisation...

Tesco, for example, have their fuel supplied by Greenenergy (which tesco have a stake in). If your local Esso forcourt has fuel branded 'synergy' it's also supplied by Greenenergy.

http://greenergy.com/News/index.html

If your local Esso forcourt fuel is branded 'energy' it's probably all ExxonMobil supply chain.

As far as I can tell, the various esso and tesco products have varying specifications in terms of RON and additive packages.
 
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