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The Mad Rapper

The Mad Rapper

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Hello all.

Several of my supplements have ran out and I just wanted to run through a few things before placing my new order.

L-Glutamine: I've been taking this at 5G a day immediately after training with my WMS for more efficent absorbtion. It's worked very well for me. I manage to lift heavier every session and it's been great at minimising DOMS. Now that I have a month's worth of use, I thought I'd give L-Leucine a try for a month and just compare. What dosage would you guys recommend?

BCAAs: I've never used these, I've just relied so far on acids in my PWO whey. However, I've started to consider buying some and perhaps adding 5G to my WMS along with the L-Leucine. What are your opinions? I like the idea of getting some key acids to my muscles immediately after training with the WMS, then the PWO shake 20 minutes after the WMS when I arrive home.

WMS: I've no complaints about WMS at all, it seems do do what it states it does. Again, I'm open to trying an alternative for a month for comparison purposes. Any suggestions? I'm not interested in malto/dextrose and can't afford activated barley

CEE: Works brilliantly, so I'll be ordering more.

Green Tea: This is harder to gauge. I notice a slight increase in metabolisim, but regardless, the anti-oxident properties are great so I am happy to continue taking it for that reason alone. I may try the tablets this time. the powder is dirt cheap and lasts ages but tastes disgusting IMHO.

Taurine: I want to use this in conjunction with CEE Pre WO, but am unsure of the dosage required. Advise please.

AAKG: Read about this, seems to work as a vascular volume increaser? Not sure of it's effectiveness in building lean mass. Is it negligable, or worth a trial?

Thanks in advance as always.

Kind Regards,

John.
 
The Mad Rapper said:
Hello all.

Several of my supplements have ran out and I just wanted to run through a few things before placing my new order.

L-Glutamine: I've been taking this at 5G a day immediately after training with my WMS for more efficent absorbtion. It's worked very well for me. I manage to lift heavier every session and it's been great at minimising DOMS. Now that I have a month's worth of use, I thought I'd give L-Leucine a try for a month and just compare. What dosage would you guys recommend?
You can't compare Leucine with glutamine, they two totally different amino acids. Glutamine is apparently great taken PWO for low carb dieters as it's easily used in the body to refuel glycogen. Obviously this is usefull as it negates the need to take carbs and take the user out of ketosis.

Taking 5g is totally useless, whatever gains you think you got from this are down to the placebo effect if you ask me. It certainly didn't increase your strength levels for you and I'm dubious of claims about it reducing DOMS as I never noticed it. Vitamin C and grape seed extract are better for this purpose. You need to be taking large doses of glutamine for any effect, like 40g+ PWO.

BCAAs: I've never used these, I've just relied so far on acids in my PWO whey. However, I've started to consider buying some and perhaps adding 5G to my WMS along with the L-Leucine. What are your opinions? I like the idea of getting some key acids to my muscles immediately after training with the WMS, then the PWO shake 20 minutes after the WMS when I arrive home.
BCAA's are the essential amino acids Leucine:Isoleucine:Valine in a 2:1:1 ratio. They're expensive and a bit of a luxury. Leucine is cheaper. Or you can do what I do and mix Leucine into the BCAA's 50/50 to change the ratio to 4:1:1 in favour of Leucine. Great on a cut, bit of a waste of money when bulking.

You know Whey is high in BCAA's right?

Taurine: I want to use this in conjunction with CEE Pre WO, but am unsure of the dosage required. Advise please.
Take 3g-5g Pre workout, works very well with creatine and helps combat any reported side effects of creatine aswell, such as dehydration and cramps. THE best thing you can take for hydration. It's so good taking 5g before you go out and get hammered will help keep any hangover at bay ;)

I love this stuff, possibly my favourite supplement as it's so cheap and has so many uses :)

AAKG: Read about this, seems to work as a vascular volume increaser? Not sure of it's effectiveness in building lean mass. Is it negligable, or worth a trial?
Great for big pumps, so it's a good psychological booster. Also helps with stamina towards the end of a workout, worth a try if you've never tried it before.

Supposed to be really good for sex aswell as it works in a similar way to viagra? I can't believe I never thought of trying it for that purpose lol!
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EDIT - Sorry if some of that reads like it's been typed by a chimp or full of typo's. In a rush for gym, no time to check or go over it :o
 
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looks like its typed by a person with finger fatter than mine ;]

tried Glut for a while, I didnt even notice anything from a placebo point of view!

WMS is great :D
 
Chong Warrior said:
Thoughts in orange.

EDIT - Sorry if some of that reads like it's been typed by a chimp or full of typo's. In a rush for gym, no time to check or go over it.
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No problem, thanks for the reply! :)

I've realised reading your reply that some of my questions weren't worded brilliantly. so I'll clarify what I meant based upon your comments.

You can't compare Leucine with glutamine, they two totally different amino acids. Glutamine is apparently great taken PWO for low carb dieters as it's easily used in the body to refuel glycogen. Obviously this is usefull as it negates the need to take carbs and take the user out of ketosis.
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I understand that they are different, I'm not stupid! ;)

From the research I've done, it would seem that Leucine is the most important amino acid and seems to be a factor in how well the other acids are absorbed and made use of by the body. I fully appreciate that this is it's most significant effect, I wasn't looking for it to act in the same way as Glutamine. I've used Glutamine for a month now and I have noticed significantly reduced DOMS. I am not claiming any other effect, but I definately have noticed it really does seem to work. Remember, I am setting a new PB on almost every lift each week, I am pushing myself as hard as I can so I'd expect far more DOMS then I am currently getting.

Taking 5g is totally useless, whatever gains you think you got from this are down to the placebo effect if you ask me. It certainly didn't increase your strength levels for you and I'm dubious of claims about it reducing DOMS as I never noticed it. Vitamin C and grape seed extract are better for this purpose. You need to be taking large doses of glutamine for any effect, like 40g+ PWO.
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Really? As I mentioned above, 5G PWO is all I've taken and it works, there's no doubt in my mind. Have a look here and you'll see that I am not the only one. I never claimed that the Glutamine was responsible for my strength gains BTW, I was stating that because I am setting a new PB in every lift every week I am pushing myself as hard as I can. I should be in a right state the following day but I'm not. The reason I'm not is because of the Glutamine. 40G a day seems like a silly amount and bloody expensive too :(

BCAA's are the essential amino acids Leucine:Isoleucine:Valine in a 2:1:1 ratio. They're expensive and a bit of a luxury. Leucine is cheaper. Or you can do what I do and mix Leucine into the BCAA's 50/50 to change the ratio to 4:1:1 in favour of Leucine. Great on a cut, bit of a waste of money when bulking.

You know Whey is high in BCAA's right?
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Yes, I did know Whey is high in BCAAs, that's pretty much all protein is, amino acids ;)

Interesting point you make though regarding the cost and the way you mix. What dosage would you recommend? I'm currently on a bulk so I can at least give it a try for a month and see how I get on.

Thanks very much for the Taurine advice, superb ;)

What would you recommend the dosage of AAKG to be and when to take for maximum effect?

Finally, for the other regulars, any other views on what Chong and I have discussed? Anything you think I ought to consider?
 
Morba said:
looks like its typed by a person with finger fatter than mine ;]
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Morba said:
tried Glut for a while, I didnt even notice anything from a placebo point of view!
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Morba said:
WMS is great :D
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Agreed, it's great stuff :D
The Mad Rapper said:
I understand that they are different, I'm not stupid! ;)
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I didn't mean it like that, I was refering to your comment about comparing them? I've made my feelings pretty clear about Glutamine I won't bang on about it. Leucine is great stuff but I doubt you'll notice much from it when bulking but it can still be beneficial as it increases protein synthesis. If you really want to try it then take 5g immediately pre-workout and sip on 5g while you train. Be warned this stuff is very hard to mix in water!!

The Mad Rapper said:
What would you recommend the dosage of AAKG to be and when to take for maximum effect?
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Start off with 1.5g pre workout first time. I wouldn't take anymore before you know how you respond to it. First time it pumped my arms and back up so much it was almost painfull! Stacks well with CEE and taurine ;)
 
Chong Warrior said:
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Agreed, it's great stuff :D

I didn't mean it like that, I was refering to your comment about comparing them? I've made my feelings pretty clear about Glutamine I won't bang on about it. Leucine is great stuff but I doubt you'll notice much from it when bulking but it can still be beneficial as it increases protein synthesis. If you really want to try it then take 5g immediately pre-workout and sip on 5g while you train. Be warned this stuff is very hard to mix in water!!


Start off with 1.5g pre workout first time. I wouldn't take anymore before you know how you respond to it. First time it pumped my arms and back up so much it was almost painfull! Stacks well with CEE and taurine ;)
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You're a star mate as always.

I'll see how I get on during the next 5 months, hopefully by then I'll have made some very noticable progress. Things seem to be going well so far, there's definately muscle growing there under my old cake retention! ;)

Hopefully I'll be able to post an 'after' picture to compare with my 'before' photograph I took 5 weeks ago :)
 
On form tonight Chong! Some high quality information and advice there.

As for The Mad Rapper, you're picking this all up extremely quickly. Great work :)
 
The Mad Rapper said:
AAKG: Read about this, seems to work as a vascular volume increaser? Not sure of it's effectiveness in building lean mass. Is it negligable, or worth a trial?
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I really don't think this has helped build any lean mass directly but its an amazing psychological boost. I take it occasionally on chest or back days to get a bigger pump and make my arms look bigger. Yeah its vain but when you look in the mirror and see your arms looking bigger and fuller it improves your motivation no end ;)

As Chong said if you take too much you will get "over pumped". I've had my grip seize as my forearms filled with blood and I'd avoid using it on leg days for the same reason. I have had the odd headache too. Basically you need to be more cautious with AAKG than any of the other supps on your list.

If you are still cutting and lacking a little definition i'd give it a miss till you're a little further into the cut and able to see the effects of AAKG more clearly.
 
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