Survey report back, your advice

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I've just received the home buyers report back on a property I made an offer on, In the report its listed a few concerning issues which are marked urgent.
It also goes on to recommend a structural engineer.

The house is a semi-detached built in 1959. This is the house in question

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-43443220.html


[ Roof coverings ]

The main roof is hipped and covered by interlocking concrete tiles, The surface levels are reasonable, tiles are in position and free from any serious damage. One tile on the left slope has slightly lifted out of position.
The ridge tiles are adequately bedded and are in position except on the front left hip where a number of tiles have been blown off the roof recently and have not been replaced. There is also some re-pointing required beneath the ridge and hip tiles.

There is a flat roof over the single storey side extension. It is part of the main side garage roof which extends backwards. The felt is fairly worn and will need overhauling. The drainage falls are fairly shallow and may need improving.


[ Rainwater pipes / Gutters ]

The gutters and downspouts are almost all original cast iron and corroding.
There are also gaps beginning to appear between gutter sections and the rainwater fittings will need a complete overhaul.

[ Main walls ]

There are some initial signs of frost damage below the damp course level on the front and rear elevations but it is not excessive at present. There is, however more excessive damage on the side wall of the side extension and garage. The bottom two courses have been covered by render to protect the brick but the render has also been affected by frost damage and the bricks will need replacing along the whole length of the side extension. This point is particularly relevant to the garage wall which is off single brick.

The edges of a felt damp proof course are visible on the surfaces of soome of the walls, it is almost bridged by the front door step but otherwise the damp proofing has not been bridged.


We noted some hairline step cracks in the side wall above the garage roof towards the back of the building. Any movement is only slight but a support wall has probably been removed between the extension and the original kitchen area at some time in the past. There is some evidence that a support lintel has been fitted beneath the ceiling but it is fairly narrow and we suspect it may only support the inner leaf brick. There is no evidence of any movement on the internal surface. It would be advisable to seek advice from a qualified structural engineer.


The chimney breast has at some point been removed up to the first floor which separates the bedroom wardrobes - not sure this is secure or not


[ Porches ]

The porch roof forms an extension of the projecting garage roof and is positioned over the front entrance. The porch is not enclosed and the roof is suspended at the right end. It is mainly supported by the front elevation and projecting side wall of the garage. The frame is in deteriorating condition. The drainage falls are adverse and the felt is at the end of its useful life. The felt is also fitted into an open joint in the brick work and the brick work seems to have dropped slightly above the entrance porch.

[ Other joinery finishes ]

Fascia and soffit boarding has suffered from neglect and is deteriorating condition.


[ Garage ]

The internal brick walls are in reasonable condition but there is further evidence that the brick has slipped slightly over the window and door openings. The side wall is of single leaf construction. The roof is fairly high but the boarding is stained with damp.


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would you say the cracking and chimney breast half removed would would warrant a structural survey or is the report being over cautious.

I'm just wondering how much all this will cost to fix or what should be made priority. I'm hoping I can get some money knocked off with all these issues.

Anyone have an idea to how much it will cost to replace the frost damaged brick work ?


Sorry for the long post but any advice you can give would be appreciated

Thanks
 
looks like a lovely house that and it is so cheap - well compared to the south east it is!

Firstly this is a lifetime investment, so if you are unsure spend the extra money to get a structural engineer out to the property to put your mind out of doubt. There is no harm is going back to the seller and trying to get some money off.

did your valuation come back lower or higher than what your current offer is?
 
I'd get it structurally checked, see how much all the repairs are likely to cost and factor that into your dealings.
Price might have been agreed, but that was STC, and this suggests things are not as they appear.
 
Thanks, unfortunately the lady who owned it passed away, the house is being handled buy a solicitor because she didn't have a will, the money will then be divided to her family.

The house was on the market for £185k, we made an offer of £178k which was accepted, in the home buyers report it goes on to say that £178k is a reasonable buy at the proposed selling price. The reinstatement cost they've calculated has £135k ???

The home buyer report does say its freehold however we have found out from the solicitors its actually a leasehold. We did actually say to the bank we weren't sure of the tenure at the time, all the other properties on that road were freehold so the bank put it has freehold. I hope this isn't being a cut & paste job with them putting the same value we offered, classing it freehold and reaching the mortgage amount were borrowing with with the reinstatement value. we're putting down £45k deposit.

I'm not sure now who to contact, from reading around the net, I thought a building survey was the way to go, now i'm reading an engineers report would be better suited if the property is showing slight cracks caused maybe from when a wall was removed. Or would you recommend getting both done ?

All these fees and reports are mounting up like crazy, we've probably spent near 1k already. It would hurt if we had to pull out if something is wrong with it, it took us ages to find something we liked :(


I don't suppose anyone knows of a good firm to use for a building survey in South Manchester, is it advisable to use someone local or national ?
 
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The house was on the market for £185k, we made an offer of £178k which was accepted, in the home buyers report it goes on to say that £178k is a reasonable buy at the proposed selling price. The reinstatement cost they've calculated has £135k ???

Reinstatement cost is literally the cost to rebuild the bricks and mortar shell. Its not a reflection of the overall value of the property, just worst case scenario of how much to rebuild it if it got flattened.

If you have specific areas of concern you might best be served by getting a structural engineer to look at those select areas as opposed to getting an entire new structural survey - but this is only my opinion I'm not an expert.

Ultimately its going to be your decision on how much you spend before you get to a walk away point.
 
Sounds okish to me, needs a fair bit of work doing, say 20k. Maybe less.
Doesn't say desperately urgent in the text you quoted, mostly standard maintenance,

You could just get a local builder to give you some quotes.
 
btw I got to say the report looks okay - can't see anything major on there?!

what did your surveyor tell you? Looks like an old lady lived there all it needs is some tlc :)
 
Those no idea what these little pipes are look like overflow pipes to me.
 
I have been out to get pictures of the house today if it helps

Here is the link to the pictures, I have named the files to the issue's flagged by the surveyor

https://drive.google.com/?usp=chrome_app#folders/0B-6KT9-k83mDekRjRFNlT3BlRm8

Also in the report is says the garage door doesn't open properly

def cast iron gutters and they are corroding - you'll probably need to factor in replacing these in the long run.

I see some cracks that will need to be repaired to the brick work
this is not a big issue afaik simple repointing job of the mortar joints! :)

the mortar plinth has deteriorated in some places - this will need to be repaired and without this repair you might found some damp inside the house.

you also got some decay to the wood on the garage door - this isn't expensive to replace but if you need to replace the garage door then factor this into the costs


just seen all of your pictures bear in mind that I am not a structural engineer but it actually just needs a bit of TLC :)

also i would get a builder round there in the meantime and add up all of the costs then go back to the owner and ask em for a discount.


how is the inside?
 
The inside seems fine from what I could see, the only part I could not check was the loft. Its the the roof and decaying bricks caused by frost which concern me.

I just rang specialist Xpress on there full Structural Engineer report, £430 it would cost. Does that seem reasonable ?
 
The inside seems fine from what I could see, the only part I could not check was the loft. Its the the roof and decaying bricks caused by frost which concern me.

I just rang specialist Xpress on there full Structural Engineer report, £430 it would cost. Does that seem reasonable ?

I'm buying in Wigan and have had a few quotes, that seems okay to me. I actually went through a kind of comparison website where you fill in a form and it puts your job out to tender and you get a load of replies. It was like a competition for who could impress me the most, I wore everyone out until two remained then decided on which one to use through further correspondence...
*I have not had the survey done yet, but that was my selection process

The site was localsurveyorsdirect - I would not usually use something like that but I literally had no other recommendation so this was a good way of getting a lot of responsive people to get in touch with me.

Can I ask why you didn't opt for a full structural survey from the off? I thought it would be a no-brainer for a house of that age. from what I remember there's not a massive price difference between a regular survey and full structural. Don't take that the wrong way - I was just surprised.
 
Getting a building survey was my intention to begin with, I usually like to do stuff over the top and with it being the most expensive thing i'll ever buy. I was told that building surveys are for houses that are very very old.

To be honest i'm not sure a surveyor who does a building survey will tell me much more than what I know now. Structural engineers don't do building surveys, I only just found this out because I thought a building survey could give advice on anything structural but that's not true.

A structural engineer's report is needed if the property is showing cracks, not a surveyor. It's something new to me as well but a quick google search shows the confusion over the different surveys.

Fulll structural surveys are now known as building surveys now
 
Looks like a nice house its a shame to get your hopes up and to find out you need to spend a load of cash. You can always show them a report and knock them down 15k, or get them to pay for a surveyor at worst they so no.
 
yes a structural survey is what you need

someone with great experience and who can put together a comprehensive report and tell you exactly if these cracks are serious or not.

Movement to buildings can be pretty common, you'd be surprised how many move over time. Older cracks are good news, but any new or recent cracks could pose you problems.
The engineer should be able to identify the cause of the cracks, pay close attention to the wording and report itself. Remember these documents could prove vital when you need to sell in future.

The property looks lovely and I am in awe of the price wow! I hope you do go ahead with this purchase!

Good luck
 
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