Switch from AGP to PCI-Exp: Getting the same whack I already have.

Well my experience with them is limited, so I'll happily take your more experienced word for it :).

For the record, I've just had a quick glance and it's an 'Enlight' PSU, so while it does have a make on the side, I kinda classed that as generic as I'd never heard of them before. Just checking we're on the same definition of 'generic'.

Still likely it's just a generic beastie. Personally I'd go with the P43 board, E5200, 4GB of OCZ and a 400w-500w PSU :) Should give you solid reliability and a couple of years of fun yet.
 
My last setup was an A8V + Opty170, which also ground to a halt (WinXP). It was far too much hassle to re-install the OS and all apps so I upgraded (to an i7 rig). Thing is, I set the AV8 and Opty up in another case, did a fresh install of Vista, clocked the CPU a bit, and it's like a new computer. Much faster (apparently) than it was under XP. Which just goes to prove an OS install will go bad eventually. My point is, if the original performance was good enough for you and you don't want to spend money try a fresh install - you'll notice the difference.
 
a quick google on that asrock board has revealed numerous incompatibility of its PCI-E port, especially with the latest gen of GFX so if you do decide to go PCI-E in the future there is a chance that it might not work with the mobo.

*EDIT* also its PCI-E only works at x4 instead of the full x16 speed so you won't make the most out of a modern GFX card.

Worth baring in mind, thanks. Are there any other boards that offer both AGP and PCI-Exp that might be more compatible?
 
My last setup was an A8V + Opty170, which also ground to a halt (WinXP). It was far too much hassle to re-install the OS and all apps so I upgraded (to an i7 rig). Thing is, I set the AV8 and Opty up in another case, did a fresh install of Vista, clocked the CPU a bit, and it's like a new computer. Much faster (apparently) than it was under XP. Which just goes to prove an OS install will go bad eventually. My point is, if the original performance was good enough for you and you don't want to spend money try a fresh install - you'll notice the difference.

Thing is I'm having trouble getting an output on the monitor (perhaps 1 in every 20 boots will yield this), windows loading screen is reached on about 1 in every 50 boots, and it hasn't got further than this for several hundred boots. The numbers are increasing all the time.

Is it possible to remove the operating system from dos and reinstall, without having to do a complete format? There's some data on there I'd hate to lose.

Also, are you suggesting buying Vista to do this with?

Thanks for the suggestion,
peter :)
 
Worth baring in mind, thanks. Are there any other boards that offer both AGP and PCI-Exp that might be more compatible?

I'm afraid not, asrock is the only company that does this kind of thing. My suggestion would still be that gigabyte m-atx board and just use the onboard gfx in the meantime if you don't game a lot.
 
I know it's AM2 but I'd suggest the ASROCK ALiveDual-eSATA2

AGP 8x, PCI-E x16 (v1.1) and will take AM2 CPUs up to current Phenom II. You can sell your DDR and current CPU (which is still fetching a decent price at auction). This will be a much better long-term solution for gaming than the 4CoreDual board, which is restricted to PCI-E x4.

One word of caution. Your current Radeon will only work with the board in Windows XP but you can do Vista (or 7) when you go PCI-E.

The motherboard has the same chipset as my 939Dual-SATA2 and the 939Dual-VSTA. Apart from some recent problems (which I hope were just down to some fluff wedged in a RAM slot) the 939Dual-SATA2 formed part of the most stable self-build I've ever done.

Edit: for compatibility info, I have used the following video cards with no problems with my board: AGP - 6600GT & 6800GT, PCI-E - X1800XT, 8800GT & HD4850.
Further Edit: Sorry - it's not exacly the same chipset. PCI-E is controlled with nVIDIA (formerly ULI) M1695 (same as mine). AGP is controlled by nVIDIA nForce3. Kind of mysterious how that chipset only supports nVIDIA AGP cards in Vista isn't it?
 
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I have to say this sounds like an exceedingly good suggestion! :D

What CPU would you suggest for this approach? The cheapest Phenom I could get my hands on? :) I'm guessing that would be the best value approach, if the X2s are largely the same chip underneath...

By my calculations that's the 8450 2.1ghz model? :cool:

EDIT: Apparently from AMD they do an 8250, but can't seem to find it for sale at many places. Also appears to have a different thermal power design. Hmm.
 
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Either that I'd be tempted to get a cheaper X2 now and upgrade to a Phenom 2 when the prices have dropped and more games use multi-core effectively. Clock speed still counts for a lot in many games and you may find that a low-clocked Phenom does worse than your current CPU in several games. The Athlon X2 7750+ Black Edition is actually a multiplier unlocked dual core Phenom and can clock quite high: http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-athlon-x2-7750-be-review/12

Don't forget, AM3 CPUs up to 140w (when they appear) should work in the board, as long as ASROCK keep updating the BIOS. They're generally very good at supporting their hardware for at least a few years.
 
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Thing is, I set the AV8 and Opty up in another case, did a fresh install of Vista, clocked the CPU a bit, and it's like a new computer. Much faster (apparently) than it was under XP.

If money is a concern do this first im pretty sure it will fill your needs for awhile longer if gaming isnt top of the requirements..

  • Update Bios
  • Format Disk
  • Fresh Install of Operating System
  • Install all latest drivers
  • Get a decent Antivirus program which doesnt hog the system... (avg is good)

And you system will be quick again!!

Maybe do a slight overclock if you havent already.
 
If money is a concern do this first im pretty sure it will fill your needs for awhile longer if gaming isnt top of the requirements..

  • Update Bios
    [*]Format Disk
  • Fresh Install of Operating System
  • Install all latest drivers
  • Get a decent Antivirus program which doesnt hog the system... (avg is good)

And you system will be quick again!!

Maybe do a slight overclock if you havent already.

Is there any way to do this without having to format the disk from DOS? ie. Can I install a fresh operating system to a new blank drive and then remove the old one via windows after I have salvaged everything I want from it?

Also, I've had it on a 450mhz overclock for most of its lifetime, but reducing this has made no difference to stability.

EDIT: Getting a display on boot is nearing impossible now...:eek:
 
Either that I'd be tempted to get a cheaper X2 now and upgrade to a Phenom 2 when the prices have dropped and more games use multi-core effectively. Clock speed still counts for a lot in many games and you may find that a low-clocked Phenom does worse than your current CPU in several games. The Athlon X2 7750+ Black Edition is actually a multiplier unlocked dual core Phenom and can clock quite high: http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-athlon-x2-7750-be-review/12

Don't forget, AM3 CPUs up to 140w (when they appear) should work in the board, as long as ASROCK keep updating the BIOS. They're generally very good at supporting their hardware for at least a few years.

Ahh that is interesting. So an X2 7750+ Black Edition is potentially faster for less money? I'm sold :D
 
Even though I see the appeal of keeping working parts, you're getting on for a major rebuild. Last time I checked, AGP graphics cards had quite a price hike over their PCI-E equivalents. I would check the 2nd hand value of your existing card, as there are probably better options if you don't need AGP (that board has no PCI-E x1 slots, and you couldn't use SLI or Crossfire for example).

You can plug your existing hard drive into any PC with the appropriate SATA or IDE port. They will usually be able to read it (just make sure it's not the boot drive), although a few programs like Norton Goback could make it effectively unreadable.
 
Even though I see the appeal of keeping working parts, you're getting on for a major rebuild. Last time I checked, AGP graphics cards had quite a price hike over their PCI-E equivalents. I would check the 2nd hand value of your existing card, as there are probably better options if you don't need AGP (that board has no PCI-E x1 slots, and you couldn't use SLI or Crossfire for example).

You can plug your existing hard drive into any PC with the appropriate SATA or IDE port. They will usually be able to read it (just make sure it's not the boot drive), although a few programs like Norton Goback could make it effectively unreadable.

Thanks for the guidance, I will attempt to salvage what I can from my PC and see if fresh software will solve the issue. However, I can't help but think (from sources I've read on the internet) that this won't neccesarily solve the problem, and even if it does it'll only be a temporary messure. :(

If I throw out there a few details about my circumstances it might shed some light on where I'm coming from. At the moment I'm on a gap year doing a mix of work and volunteering both at home and overseas. In October, I'll be off to University. I'm also not a huge gamer any more, in fact, it's been a few months since I've let a game slip into my DVD drive. :o

So basically, I'm really looking at remaking what I have into a swift but most importantly reliable PC for as little as possible to tie me over till October, when I can then indulge in a moderately expensive laptop (perhaps even a full HD compatible one :cool:) and share my pc use between that and my home pc, depending on where I am. :)

Based on that, I think the idea of the AS Rock and a new CPU and ram will be the best bet, and with a bit of luck I won't have to upgrade it again for 4/5 years (long course). :eek:

I think the only question left is the CPU - am I going to be able to get more power from clocking the black eddition X2 or the lowest clock Phenom X3? :confused:

A big thank you for your help though, I'd have never found these options otherwise. :)
 
Also, the X800 XT PE rate appears to be around £35, nothing shocking. I have an arctic cooler on it too, which might get me an extra £5/£10, but I can't see that buying me a better card, could it? :eek:
 
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-234-AM

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-313-AS

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-086-OC

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-097-PC

£235 all in with your free postage. no PSU selected as you wont need it if the other unit is working fine. if you do by some small chance need a replacement your not missing out on anything by waiting to see. postage will be free on a second order also

oh and thats about 200% "faster" than your posted spec most notably in general omputing multitasking gaming is significantly better but a 4830 would be better still at an extra £30 but may need a psu upgrade if you get it.
 
Suggestion.

That looks good as a slightly higher spend, but considering the amount of gaming I do now I think I'll save the money that I would have spent upgrading graphics and go for the ASRock option and keep my (albeit old) X800 XT PE. Thanks all the same. :) I'd also probably avoid going for another ASUS board. We've had 3 A8Vs in my family and they've all gone bust eventually. :eek::(

All I could really use now was some clarification/confirmation about what CPU to go for - I get the impression an X2 Black Edition will produce more processing power than the lowest clocked X3 Phenom (even though the latter has an extra core?). If someone could give the nod of approval to this notion before I fork out my hard earned cash it would be appreciated! :)
 
That looks good as a slightly higher spend, but considering the amount of gaming I do now I think I'll save the money that I would have spent upgrading graphics and go for the ASRock option and keep my (albeit old) X800 XT PE. Thanks all the same. :) I'd also probably avoid going for another ASUS board. We've had 3 A8Vs in my family and they've all gone bust eventually. :eek::(

All I could really use now was some clarification/confirmation about what CPU to go for - I get the impression an X2 Black Edition will produce more processing power than the lowest clocked X3 Phenom (even though the latter has an extra core?). If someone could give the nod of approval to this notion before I fork out my hard earned cash it would be appreciated! :)

the x800 is a fine card for basic gaming

the x3 phenom and the x2 "phenom" branded as an athlon... hmmm close call

2 cores at 2.7ghz but with unlocked multi so as much as 3.2ghz on stock volts and maybe see a 3.6 ghz clock

or 3 cores at 2.1ghz with a locked multiplyer.

i think the x2 would win out the x3 in most real world applicasions at their stock speeds and once the x2 was overclocked to 3-3.6ghz you would be flying. ahead of that x3. however if you could overclock that x3 to 2.8-3ghz it would be a hard call
 
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