Switching from OLED to Projection.. anyone done it?

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Hey,

I have a 77 CX OLED but I'm thinking of moving back to projection. Has anyone had similar thoughts ot done the same route?

My 77'' CX OLED cost £5k and looks beautiful, stunning, reference quality PQ, HDR is sublime. But.. the lack of a cinematic feel due to the screen size is apparent. If it was maybe 88''... it'd work, but at 77'', it still feels like a TV.

I'm contemplating returning it and getting a 110'' ALR screen and a JVC X7900 which should cost me if bought second hand £3000 and then waiting for the next JVC refresh of PJs.

any thoughts on anyone who has made this move?

I did own a Epson 9400 for 2 weeks and it was great but i returned it for the OLED. Its weird as the OLED just feels perfect, the 9400 always left me wanting more... but the Epson 9400 made my jaw drop countless times too... the level of immersion.. especially i remember Aquaman where my sister said she felt like she was under water during the Imax scenes.. isn't there with the OLED.... I'm looking at a TV.. its clear.


anyway any thoughts from enthusiasts who've experience with both?
 
Just done it the other way around. Went from a 90" projection screen size with a JVC HD550 (DILA) to a 65" B9.
Can't say that I really miss the size difference.
Certainly do notice the improved resolution and black levels.
 
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Mr_Sukebe said:
Just done it the other way around. Went from a 90" projection screen size with a JVC HD550 (DILA) to a 65" B9.
Can say that I really miss the size difference.
Certainly do notice the improved resolution and black levels.
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The PQ is on a different levelf from my experience too but I really really miss the size, and I'm playing with a 77'' OLED. I went from the 4K HDR 9400 and I'd say the PJ managed to look sharper than my OLED due to its inbuilt picture processing (likely oversharpening)

I'm keeping a close eye out for a JVC X7900.
I would get an NX7 but I feel its overpriced and that the next refresh might be significant.

95 vs 77
http://www.displaywars.com/95-inch-16x9-vs-77-inch-16x9

110 vs 77
http://www.displaywars.com/110-inch-16x9-vs-77-inch-16x9


I guess its not rocket science why one is more immersive than the other.
 
Does it need to be one or the other? Why not both! That is the optimum solution.

Different devices for different things.
Cant beat 100"+ for movies. Needs a good sound system to enhance the immersion tho.
I run my Nintendo switch on the QLED as the brightness for Nintendo games like Mario Odyssey just cannot be beaten and loving Last of Us 2 , Ghosts of Tushima etc on the OLED for the contrast ratio and blackness. And the movies and PC gaming go on the PJ.
 
Few factors at work

1) you've grown up associating immersion and massive image size with a projected image. For many this is still the case when they go to the multiplex.
2) projected images are reflecting light into your eyes more naturally than an emissive technology directly 'beaming' it into your retinas
3) subtended angles mean you are either seeing something at life-like ratios with a large image with lines of perspective fanning OUT rather than IN in the case of a TV. As you describe sheer size overcomes you thinking about the black floor level provided by OLED

In 5-7 years we may be able to have 110'' OLED or variants of that technology screen size should we want. That will be an interesting comparison and dilemma IMO.

I've put together a system over the years such that I just won't bother or want to watch a film on a TV, it's like going from freshly squeezed to squash for me and I can't go back.
 
@3t3P Those are all good points, and it's a lot of what most people miss when comparing even TV tech (eg OLED vs LCD). There's always the missing context especially as it pertains to human vision & environment (so it's not just comparing contrast numbers, or brightness etc). At least that's what I see in general forum discussions, even on AVR forums.
 
aoaaron said:
Hey,

I have a 77 CX OLED but I'm thinking of moving back to projection. Has anyone had similar thoughts ot done the same route?

My 77'' CX OLED cost £5k and looks beautiful, stunning, reference quality PQ, HDR is sublime. But.. the lack of a cinematic feel due to the screen size is apparent. If it was maybe 88''... it'd work, but at 77'', it still feels like a TV.

I'm contemplating returning it and getting a 110'' ALR screen and a JVC X7900 which should cost me if bought second hand £3000 and then waiting for the next JVC refresh of PJs.

any thoughts on anyone who has made this move?

I did own a Epson 9400 for 2 weeks and it was great but i returned it for the OLED. Its weird as the OLED just feels perfect, the 9400 always left me wanting more... but the Epson 9400 made my jaw drop countless times too... the level of immersion.. especially i remember Aquaman where my sister said she felt like she was under water during the Imax scenes.. isn't there with the OLED.... I'm looking at a TV.. its clear.


anyway any thoughts from enthusiasts who've experience with both?
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Swap the 77" OLED for a 65" OLED.

Take the £3k saving and buy a projector set up.

The oled is going to be so much better for certain things like daily viewing.

The projector will be for special occasions or AAA movies, etc.

The 77" OLED is horrifically overpriced. Wait 2-5 years and the newer models out then will be £3k or less.

It's usually best not to buy the absolute biggest but one or two down and upgrade more often.
 
Psycho Sonny said:
Swap the 77" OLED for a 65" OLED.

Take the £3k saving and buy a projector set up.

The oled is going to be so much better for certain things like daily viewing.

The projector will be for special occasions or AAA movies, etc.

The 77" OLED is horrifically overpriced. Wait 2-5 years and the newer models out then will be £3k or less.

It's usually best not to buy the absolute biggest but one or two down and upgrade more often.
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Thanks but I've already had a 65'' OLED (still have it in our snug).

I replaced the 65'' OLED with a 77'' OLED as I found the 65'' way too small. The 40% extra real estate of the 77'' model I found a VAST improvement on the 65'' OLED. Honestly I couldn't stomach going form a 100''' projector screent to the 65 incher so this just wouldn't work for me.

Sadly 77'' doesn't quite compare to 110'' (my new PJ screen I got for a steal).

65'' vs 110''
http://www.displaywars.com/65-inch-16x9-vs-110-inch-16x9

I already have a projector setup. If I were to dump more money into my projection setup, I'm looking at:
1. Buying an Epson 9400 again (£2.5k.. wary to buy this as I feel Epson will upgrade in <12 months).
2. JVC X7900 (£2.5k second hand??)
3. JVC NX7 (£8.5k), or NX5 (£6.5k)




I agree, 77'' is very overpriced but its the only affordable semi-big screen option in the OLED world. 88'' is too expensive for me and 65'' feels so small at a viewing distance of 65''. I can't take a film seriously on it and would rather have it on a 1080p projector than the 4k oled c9 i had 65''/.
 
Gengar said:
Does it need to be one or the other? Why not both! That is the optimum solution.

Different devices for different things.
Cant beat 100"+ for movies. Needs a good sound system to enhance the immersion tho.
I run my Nintendo switch on the QLED as the brightness for Nintendo games like Mario Odyssey just cannot be beaten and loving Last of Us 2 , Ghosts of Tushima etc on the OLED for the contrast ratio and blackness. And the movies and PC gaming go on the PJ.
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I think likely I will end up keeping 77'' OLED for games and trying to buy an Epson 9400 or JVC X7900 second hand for £2500. That way I have 110'' projector for films and video games, the 77'' OLED.

I do have both atm but the PJ I returned was Epson 9400 as it had a fault and replaced with an older Sony model.

I do agree that video games especially are just incredible on OLED but I've never owned a native 4k projector like the JVC NX7.. maybe they look incredible on that. I know on my Epson 9400, the Last of us 2 did not look as good as it looked on my 77'' CX. Gap between the two was big.
 
I have the best of both worlds, so I'm well placed to comment.

I've owned at least one of each generation of the LG OLED TVs since 2015; except for the 2020 range, which I've skipped. I rate them highly and use them in all of my rooms and use them for all purposes for which a consumer would conceivably use a display, including as a computer monitor. They excel at movies and gaming in particular. Their only (minor) weak point is motion handling and -from what I understand- the 2020 range improves on this considerably.

That said, there's something inherently pleasing about projected image. I own a JVC N5 DILA 4K projector. These are amazing. Paired with a nice M&K speaker setup and a good 120" fixed screen, it's unbeatable for movies and AAA story-driven single player games. It's a good deal more economical than an 88" OLED; though I understand perhaps a bit less versatile for day to day use.
 
I went the other way around too. 100" screen with mid range 1080P Epson projector, to 65" OLED.
I also moved the lounge around so I now sit a bit closer to the screen. If it's in a dedicated cinema room and just for movies, projector would probably be better.
But there's so much the OLED does better as an all round set for normal TV, gaming, etc. I still appreciated I don't need to shut curtains to watch the TV anymore.
 
BlairH said:
I have the best of both worlds, so I'm well placed to comment.

I've owned at least one of each generation of the LG OLED TVs since 2015; except for the 2020 range, which I've skipped. I rate them highly and use them in all of my rooms and use them for all purposes for which a consumer would conceivably use a display, including as a computer monitor. They excel at movies and gaming in particular. Their only (minor) weak point is motion handling and -from what I understand- the 2020 range improves on this considerably.

That said, there's something inherently pleasing about projected image. I own a JVC N5 DILA 4K projector. These are amazing. Paired with a nice M&K speaker setup and a good 120" fixed screen, it's unbeatable for movies and AAA story-driven single player games. It's a good deal more economical than an 88" OLED; though I understand perhaps a bit less versatile for day to day use.
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I'd love to pair a JVC N5 with my Arendals!

So the projector wins basically?

How much did you manage to get the N5 for? I am toying with just trying to find a good deal on an N5. My only hesistancy stems from it hasn't had any price drops since being new, so I feel short changed buying the projector a year into its lifespan.
 
Toothy1911 said:
I went the other way around too. 100" screen with mid range 1080P Epson projector, to 65" OLED.
I also moved the lounge around so I now sit a bit closer to the screen. If it's in a dedicated cinema room and just for movies, projector would probably be better.
But there's so much the OLED does better as an all round set for normal TV, gaming, etc. I still appreciated I don't need to shut curtains to watch the TV anymore.
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To be fair, I'm talking about a 4k, HDR projector versus an 4K HDR OLED. I've owned a 1080p PJ and a 4K-Eshift HDR PJ and the difference between the two was staggering.

I agree though that a 1080p old PJ versus a any new display, the PJ is going to show its age somewhat.

I do have a dedicated room so I feel as if the 77'' OLED might be in the return box to John Lewis in the next month or so (they are currently waiting on a replacement TV for me).
 
aoaaron said:
Thanks but I've already had a 65'' OLED (still have it in our snug).

I replaced the 65'' OLED with a 77'' OLED as I found the 65'' way too small. The 40% extra real estate of the 77'' model I found a VAST improvement on the 65'' OLED. Honestly I couldn't stomach going form a 100''' projector screent to the 65 incher so this just wouldn't work for me.

Sadly 77'' doesn't quite compare to 110'' (my new PJ screen I got for a steal).

65'' vs 110''
http://www.displaywars.com/65-inch-16x9-vs-110-inch-16x9

I already have a projector setup. If I were to dump more money into my projection setup, I'm looking at:
1. Buying an Epson 9400 again (£2.5k.. wary to buy this as I feel Epson will upgrade in <12 months).
2. JVC X7900 (£2.5k second hand??)
3. JVC NX7 (£8.5k), or NX5 (£6.5k)




I agree, 77'' is very overpriced but its the only affordable semi-big screen option in the OLED world. 88'' is too expensive for me and 65'' feels so small at a viewing distance of 65''. I can't take a film seriously on it and would rather have it on a 1080p projector than the 4k oled c9 i had 65''/.
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I was with you until you said viewing distance of 65" surely a mistake as that's less than 6 feet away.

I use a 43" at a bigger viewing distance and yes it's small but the biggest I can fit in a hidden enclosure within a false wall. It works for that room.

I also have a 55" in the bedroom at about 8 foot viewing distance and it's massive. I can't go bigger either again restricted by space in between the door to en suite and the door into the room. But if I could go bigger at that distance there is no way at 8 foot 77" would feel small as I have a mate who has a 75" at 8 foot in his living room and it's simply massive. I don't think you could enjoy viewing on anything bigger without missing details around the edges of the screen.

Even my 32" gaming monitor is too big for competitive gaming at desk distance. If I have to check the radar I have to take my eye off the ball which isn't a good thing.

I also have mates who bought a 75" at a viewing distance of around 15-20 feet it's a massive home (7 bedroom with 5 en suites) and 3 further bathrooms.

It looks fine to me.

Do you have an issue with your eyes or eyesight?
 
Psycho Sonny said:
I was with you until you said viewing distance of 65" surely a mistake as that's less than 6 feet away.

I use a 43" at a bigger viewing distance and yes it's small but the biggest I can fit in a hidden enclosure within a false wall. It works for that room.

I also have a 55" in the bedroom at about 8 foot viewing distance and it's massive. I can't go bigger either again restricted by space in between the door to en suite and the door into the room. But if I could go bigger at that distance there is no way at 8 foot 77" would feel small as I have a mate who has a 75" at 8 foot in his living room and it's simply massive. I don't think you could enjoy viewing on anything bigger without missing details around the edges of the screen.

Even my 32" gaming monitor is too big for competitive gaming at desk distance. If I have to check the radar I have to take my eye off the ball which isn't a good thing.

I also have mates who bought a 75" at a viewing distance of around 15-20 feet it's a massive home (7 bedroom with 5 en suites) and 3 further bathrooms.

It looks fine to me.

Do you have an issue with your eyes or eyesight?
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2.8M distance from a 65'' TV for me feels too small. I've used a 100'' projector from 2.8M distance so going back to 65'' feels postage stamp sized sadly.
Everyone has different standards for immersion. I can tell you that everyone who has been in my home theatre room much preferred the projector to the 65'' OLED (the PJ screen is electric and goes over the TV when in use so its easy to switch :D)

No issues with eyesight or eyes on myself or anyone who who's used it (estimated 30 people) :)

This is all from personal experience. I have the projector, a 65'' OLED, a 77'' OLED and a 65'' Panasonic 902B in house at the moment. The 65'' is useable, sure, but its not good enough for a cinematic experience IMO. Especially black bar content. The 77'' OLED doesn't give me that same cinematic feel as the projection either. Its nice, but i could do with a bit more width and height (and I'm talking size wise, not PQ wise where the OLED is far far superior).

6 metres and a 75'' TV for a home cinema display??? God he should get a PJ and ALR screen with that amazing room!
 
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aoaaron said:
2.8M distance from a 65'' TV for me feels too small. I've used a 100'' projector from 2.8M distance so going back to 65'' feels postage stamp sized sadly.
Everyone has different standards for immersion. I can tell you that everyone who has been in my home theatre room much preferred the projector to the 65'' OLED (the PJ screen is electric and goes over the TV when in use so its easy to switch :D)

No issues with eyesight or eyes on myself or anyone who who's used it (estimated 30 people) :)

This is all from personal experience. I have the projector, a 65'' OLED, a 77'' OLED and a 65'' Panasonic 902B in house at the moment. The 65'' is useable, sure, but its not good enough for a cinematic experience IMO. Especially black bar content. The 77'' OLED doesn't give me that same cinematic feel as the projection either. Its nice, but i could do with a bit more width and height (and I'm talking size wise, not PQ wise where the OLED is far far superior).

6 metres and a 75'' TV for a home cinema display??? God he should get a PJ and ALR screen with that amazing room!
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OK so it's not a 65" viewing distance you made a typo in your original reply.

Yeah I told them to get a projector but they prefer TV's. Each to their own. I wasn't going to debate it with them. Like I say they have a massive house. In the same room is a full sized beer fridge, a professional pool table the one used in the pro tournaments, a treadmill and several sofas. They also had a poker table for a while and trust me that the room was still spacious not cramped at all.

They wanted the 77" OLED but deemed it too expensive at £5k they got the top of the range 75" samsung instead can't recall the price maybe £2.5k or £3k as the 65" OLED was too small.
 
No I would never go projector - I've had them set up and demos and even $20k model couldn't even get half the picture quality of an OLED.
 
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