Symbian-Guru site owner in Symbian/Nokia rant :D

Khaaan! said:
I used a family member's E71 at the weekend and it looks nice but the screen was poor, the keyboard was well seduced but the keys themselves were to small even for my delicate fingers to type fast on :S

Nokia SHOULD make a handset running Android, their N8 has a fantastic camera, a phone with that kind of imaging power needs to be Android powered.

It will sell especially with Nokia's marketing department onboard.
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I have the E71 and it's a great bit of kit, even at it's age now. You have to understand it's not meant to be an all-singing, all-dancing media experience, but a reliable and well-built phone for (dare I say it!) communication, be that via SMS, voice or email. That means it's not suitable for what most people on this forum, like you, want.

You get used to the keys too, at first it's difficult, but soon you're typing really long messages with ease, it really is a joy compared to anything else I've tried.

In short, it is the epitome for what Nokia were always about for me. Strong, reliable phones with enough features for effective communication without all the associated rubbish piled on top. This is what their users (namely business) wanted, and probably still do.

The N series caters for a different market altogether, which is the one you're probably interested in. Unfortunately the latest offerings have been well short, and frankly, poor. This much is clear. Nokia need to reinvent themselves for the new market of people wanting the all-purpose device. The phone that's a camera, video player, jukebox, suitable for internet surfing, expandable with mostly pointless apps as well as button-less.

I say good luck to them. There's quite a few things in the pipeline, including a complete overhaul of the symbian OS.
 
Mostly pointless apps?!

I'm not really interested in any Nokia at all though, the last Nokia I had long term was The Matrix phone all customised and so on/ None of the later phones interested me one bit and I even upgraded to the 5800 Express last year but that was a poor phone both physically and the software.
 
Many people would argue that a lot of Android apps all of us use are supremely useful.
 
The N95 was by far the best phone of its generation and for many it opened their eyes to what a smartphone could do. Unfortunately, Nokia really didn't make a great deal of progress after this and Android, Apple and Blackberry (in alphabetical order only fanboys!) have left them behind.
 
Khaaan! said:
Well Nokia need to do something. they have craploads of phones but are not making craploads of sales.
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They are making craploads of sales. They still sell more smartphones than Apple iOS, Android and Blackberry OS put together and their smartphone growth is in line with the rest of the smartphone industry. Overall, Nokia sell well over a million phones a day.

The problem for Nokia is that the average price per phone sold is declining. They're generating lower profits on more sales.
 
Never had one problem with Symbian or the N97 tbh. Its still in my draw at home and its now a nice back-up phone for should it anything go south with my main phone.

Android is superior no question and I love my Galaxy S but functionally there's nothing I can do with Android that I can't do with Symbian, Android just seems to do it better.

I'm not trying to advocate Nokia's total lack of innovation though, they really have be useless as of late and should be berrated for it.

Hopefully a dip in sales / profits will give them a kick in the rear though and Meego will bring something totally different to anything else on the market.

Why the hell the N8 isn't running it is beyond me.
 
Tunney said:
They are They still sell more smartphones than Apple iOS, Android and Blackberry OS put together ...... Overall, Nokia sell well over a million phones a day.
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That depends a lot on the definition of smartphone. A lot of these so called Nokia smartphones are not all that amazing and most of them dont even have touchscreens and are useless for browsing and multimedia. Mostly these devices are low end and cheap, resulting in lower profits I suppose.
The one million phones sold daily is including all the cheapo phones - which they are really good at making - sold in third world countries where people barely know what an SMS is. Once they saturate this low end market they will be dead in the water.

They invested too much into sympian to just let it go now - even tho they probably should.
 
The N97 was always 'doomed' from the start in that it was Nokia's first attempt at a high end touchscreen phone. They seem to have learned from that though with recent phones like the X6.

As for symbian, personally I dont get what the hate it all about. What can other OSes do that it cant? It can even do more 'out of the box' without needing to download apps to it. And not liking it doesnt mean its bad, just aimed at someone else.
 
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Temi_D said:
The N97 was always 'doomed' from the start in that it was Nokia's first attempt at a high end touchscreen phone. They seem to have learned from that though with recent phones like the X6.

As for symbian, personally I dont get what the hate it all about. What can other OSes do that it cant? It can even do more 'out of the box' without needing to download apps to it. And not liking it doesnt mean its bad, just aimed at someone else.
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Symbian OS - looks poor, just isnt as easy to use as other OSes, very poorly integrated applications, a severe lack of developers so a lack of apps, bugs, questionable Nokia support (N97).
 
You're focusing on the wrong bits I think Christo. Nokia sell their phones based on the fact that if you have used a previous Nokia, you're already using a current gen so to speak. The UI and ease of use are one of the key selling points for most Nokia buyers and they will not destroy this, their phones are very simple to use for the vast part.

The lack of developer apps and support hurts image in some areas of the industry but to the biggest portion these are of no concern and while smartphones are nice, they are not the majority of sales (or margin) for Nokia. They may be able to catch up when the smartphone market goes massmarket so to speak as that is when it will truely matter.

Tetris has sold 100M+ mobile copies, don't see any smartphone having an app sell that well anytime soon.
 
Redmelo said:
That depends a lot on the definition of smartphone. A lot of these so called Nokia smartphones are not all that amazing and most of them dont even have touchscreens and are useless for browsing and multimedia. Mostly these devices are low end and cheap, resulting in lower profits I suppose.
The one million phones sold daily is including all the cheapo phones - which they are really good at making - sold in third world countries where people barely know what an SMS is. Once they saturate this low end market they will be dead in the water.

They invested too much into sympian to just let it go now - even tho they probably should.
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Sorry but this post is a full of bull...:p

A smartphone doesn't have to have a touchscreen (just look at blackberries for a start), excellent multimedia and web browsing are also not that important for a smartphone. That is very much the iPhone definition of a smartphone (which coincidently I wouldn't call a smartphone, more a "bridge phone").

Following on from that, you ever been to a third world country? Say parts of Africa for example. Phones are even more of a status symbol for them than us over here. You'll see young blokes who live in "squalar" with carp clothes walking around with the latest phones. :p

Symbian is where WinMo was a couple of years ago (after touchscreens became popular and before touchflo/sense), lost in the transition between a non touchscreen era and the current touchscreen era. Nokia need to get with the times and completely redevelop the software (start from scratch like MS?) to bring it back up to scratch.

Having said that I've never seen the fascination with Symbian. The N95 was an abysmal phone (tried it out when it was released and went for the far superior SE K850) and I guess that was the beginning of the end for symbian on multimedia phones.
 
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How do they root in SA etc if they can't afford a PC though!

I'd be mad at my poorness if I were them :O
 
Tunney said:
They are making craploads of sales. They still sell more smartphones than Apple iOS, Android and Blackberry OS put together and their smartphone growth is in line with the rest of the smartphone industry. Overall, Nokia sell well over a million phones a day.
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Last time I checked Apple, Android and Blackberry were on top in smartphone sales.

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RIM 36%, Android 28% & Apple 21%.

To have a bigger smartphone market share they would have to have 86% at least giving a total of 171% :)
 
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Skyfall said:
Last time I checked Apple, Android and Blackberry were on top in smartphone sales.

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RIM 36%, Android 28% & Apple 21%.

To have a bigger smartphone market share they would have to have 86% at least giving a total of 171% :)
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That's the USA where Nokia doesn't sell too well, in Europe Nokia used to have about 60% of smartphone sales but that has recently dropped to around 40% with the competition from iPhone & Android phones.
 
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