Talk to me about.....the Corolla T-Sport

[TW]Fox;15773803 said:
True, it leaves more money for a tartan rug, a box of tissues and a copy of Saga Holidays.

Go and drive one. Seriously. I've not driven a T Sport only a regular one but in order to make it anything better than OMG AWFUL they'd need to have nuked it and rebuilt it from scratch not just dropped it on better suspension and fitted an irritatingly revvy VVTi engine.

Having driving a standard and modded T sport im not sure i can agree with you.

If you are talking about quick and good handling car then its quick as standard but i wouldnt say the handling is "hot hatch" as standard. But if you change it then this car is good.

Is there something bad about this chassis that i dont know about? Why does it need rebuilt from scratch?

Its a ok looking car......i certainly would heap it in with the leon any day.

Btw i am far from a massive fan of this car. But i certainly would say its far from OMG AWFUL.
 
Xsara VTS

Better handling, more low down torque, quicker, great brakes and much much cheaper (I have bought two 51 plate 40k mile minters for £1400 each)
 
A friend had a T Sport and it wasn't a bad car. Not great but enough fun and the engine was a screamer although rather peaky.

Personally it would be an upgrade from a 1.8 astra,
 
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Fapping gorgeous, but either older or over 100k for the same money.

Never in all my days did I think I'd see a SEAT Leon described as "fapping gorgeous" :D
 
The T-sport had a facelift in 2004 and it does look better than pre-facelift. I don't mind the T-sport, my partners son has a facelift one, he loves it, but i've been a passenger in it and i base my opinion on never having driven it - and that's because i've never felt the need to. Looks wise, yes, i think it's OK, nothing more really, it has subtle bits of jewelry splashed here and there, apparently they like a weird sized tyre as standard hence they are a little more expensive than standard 16's - i can't remember the exact size but i think it's about £10 difference in price per tyre.

Interior, i'm sorry, i'm not a fan of the inside of the car, acres of plastic all over it, dull and boring to look at, seats are OK again but nothing special, however, it does feel a lot bigger inside, you won't be getting claustrophonic any time soon.

Performance, seemed alright, but again, at low rev, it didn't excite me, like the type R, you need to be up in the revs to see any performance, for every day driving, it's ok, it'll manage.

as has been said, there are better cars in your range, but i'm sure if it's what you want you won't be disappointed.
 
Quite. As much as I dislike them the worst it'll do is bore you to tears. If you drive it and think 'WOW THIS IS GREAT' then you probably will enjoy owning it. It's not like other cars whereby they are crap because one day it'll explode or something.
 
[TW]Fox;15774432 said:
Quite. As much as I dislike them the worst it'll do is bore you to tears. If you drive it and think 'WOW THIS IS GREAT' then you probably will enjoy owning it. It's not like other cars whereby they are crap because one day it'll explode or something.

The T-sport had a facelift in 2004 and it does look better than pre-facelift. I don't mind the T-sport, my partners son has a facelift one, he loves it, but i've been a passenger in it and i base my opinion on never having driven it - and that's because i've never felt the need to. Looks wise, yes, i think it's OK, nothing more really, it has subtle bits of jewelry splashed here and there, apparently they like a weird sized tyre as standard hence they are a little more expensive than standard 16's - i can't remember the exact size but i think it's about £10 difference in price per tyre.

Interior, i'm sorry, i'm not a fan of the inside of the car, acres of plastic all over it, dull and boring to look at, seats are OK again but nothing special, however, it does feel a lot bigger inside, you won't be getting claustrophonic any time soon.

Performance, seemed alright, but again, at low rev, it didn't excite me, like the type R, you need to be up in the revs to see any performance, for every day driving, it's ok, it'll manage.

as has been said, there are better cars in your range, but i'm sure if it's what you want you won't be disappointed.


I'm not sure it will bore me to tears, at least not in a straight line. I do understand what is being said, but I am not in a position right now to go for a more 'interesting' or 'exciting' car, and from what I've read the Corolla looks to have a great mix of reliability, ease of ownership and a dabble of enjoyment.

So, now we're onto buying one. Anyone have a Glass' to hand to give me some numbers for my car. 2000 (W) Astra SXi (AC) 1.8 3dr with 47k on it.
Whats the bargaining ability like at the moment? I imagine good deals to be had on thirstier luxo barges at the moment, but I'm not sure that will extend to warm hatches? I notice the same 15 or so Corolla's have been languishing on auto trader since I started considering them, so I'm guessing the market to sell them isn't particularly strong but I guess the time of year doesn't help that.

Also how to go about it? I've never really had chance to barter with car salesmen so fancy having a go, if I can get some numbers in my head I'll have a better idea where I stand. By numbers I mean, what kind of margin do these guys work to? I imagine most Corolla's to of been in PX towards something else, does this affect things much? I had a price of 1450 thrown at me for my Astra last time I requested info from here (link).

I'd like to stay below 2.5k plus my car, the closer to 2k the better. Reasonable?

EDIT: Is it worth grabbing one of the parkers buyers guide thingies? £4.99.
 
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Are you sure? It's not particularly fast. Most cars like this that lack power make up for it in the bends...

Most reports seem to place it in fact closer to the Celicas 0-60 of 7.2 than its quoted 8.4. I'll find out I guess, my Astra I think gets there in about 9 so (near) 2 second drop should be noticeable enough.
 
Most reports seem to place it in fact closer to the Celicas 0-60 of 7.2 than its quoted 8.4. I'll find out I guess, my Astra I think gets there in about 9 so (near) 2 second drop should be noticeable enough.

You aren't going to be doing many traffic light GPs are you so I wouldn't even look at that. Go test drive one and see how it picks up from 30-70. This is the main area where you'll be pushing your car.
 
you'd be surprised how differences on paper dont quite seem the same in real life.

take for example my old car - the vectra VXR.

it had 300bhp, nearly 400 lb/ft of torque and would do 0-60 in 5.9 seconds.

rG-tom has a bmw e46 330i, 230bhp and only 214 lb/ft of torque. Both four door saloons and 0-60 in approx 6.7 seconds.

nearly a whole a seconds difference. Could we find any difference in the real world ? nope not a bit. Other characteristics come into play here like FWD vs RWD etc.. but just bare in mind that in real life, it often doesnt seem like it does on paper.
 
you'd be surprised how differences on paper dont quite seem the same in real life.

take for example my old car - the vectra VXR.

it had 300bhp, nearly 400 lb/ft of torque and would do 0-60 in 5.9 seconds.

rG-tom has a bmw e46 330i, 230bhp and only 214 lb/ft of torque. Both four door saloons and 0-60 in approx 6.7 seconds.

nearly a whole a seconds difference. Could we find any difference in the real world ? nope not a bit. Other characteristics come into play here like FWD vs RWD etc.. but just bare in mind that in real life, it often doesnt seem like it does on paper.

Add me into that as mine and Tom's car is pretty evenly matched aswell... We'll find out for sure next meet though ;)
 
[TW]Fox;15776088 said:
This seems to be the case on every owners forum for hatchbacks owned by 17-30 year olds.

I swear you've quoted that Evo has got a better 0-60 off at least one BMW model than manufacturers figures.
 
[TW]Fox;15776088 said:
This seems to be the case on every owners forum for hatchbacks owned by 17-30 year olds.

Well luckily then, Top Gear did a head to head with the CTR and T-Sport not long after their launch.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~cpetrakis/toyota-sportivo-test.pdf

As you can see, the T-Sport manages 7.3 seconds, (apparently) in the damp. Admittedly the whole article heaps praise on the CTR's handling over the TS, with the 'comfort' of the TS beating the CTR. Dont get me wrong, If I could get a CTR for 4k with the same age and mileage I would certainly pick it, but I can't.

You aren't going to be doing many traffic light GPs are you so I wouldn't even look at that. Go test drive one and see how it picks up from 30-70. This is the main area where you'll be pushing your car.

I'm not disputing that, but that it doesn't matter how you slice it, it has 190bhp. A full 80 more than my current car.
 
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Well luckily then, Top Gear did a head to head with the CTR and T-Sport not long after their launch.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~cpetrakis/toyota-sportivo-test.pdf

The Toyota is softer than most hot hatches,
which pays dividends in ride comfort, but
leaves the driver wanting. Through corners
the Corolla is a bit of a roller and the steering
isn’t as direct or feelsome as we’d like. The
initial turn-in to corners isn’t as immediate as
it could be and it wears skinnier tyres than
the Honda, so it understandably runs out of
grip sooner.

A glowing review.

And they've got the Civic Type-R as taking almost 8 seconds to hit 60..
 
Great way to take a sliver out of a 5 page review and form a verdict. You'll notice I did say when I posted the link it doesn't beat the CTR in handling, I don't claim otherwise. The CTR 0-60 time is attributed to the damp surface in the review, with its non existent Traction Control not helping matters.

It really feels like regardless of my continuous justification of the car, backed up with professional views and my personal reasoning for buying the car that no one is going to admit defeat. I feel like I'm in the election thread in GD sat with britboy and hatter-the-mad.

Still no-one has recommended something in the same price range and age 02-04 plate (60-80k)with a bit of poke, meeting my other criteria of 'some practicality' and reliability.
 
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