Tate Brothers - Round 2

Colonel_Klinck said:
They should realise that a lot of people including MAGA don't like nonces (US definitely consider a grown man with a 15 year old a nonce) or sex traffickers, see Jeffery Epstein and these guys are pretty much confessed traffickers and have on numerous occasions confessed to coercion which is a crime.
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I think it's 17 in most of the US
 
ANDREW GREEN said:
Don't they have some states where that's still legal?

That aside MAGA aren't kicking up a fuss about Trump being described by Epstein as 1 of his best friends and Trump redacting the Epstein files
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I don't believe so no.

That is because Trump could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and they'd still vote for him, its a cult.

We all remember Pizzagate which they embraced and still believe is true.
 
Kyle Clifford case judge didn't tell jury about kc tate addiction unclear if jury would have thought that excused him (like trump inciting assault on congress)
or conversely jury just thought it consolidated guilt (biassed by opinion of tate say)
Starmer should be utilising online harms bill - to coerce google/X/podcast-sites
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
They should realise that a lot of people including MAGA don't like nonces (US definitely consider a grown man with a 15 year old a nonce) or sex traffickers, see Jeffery Epstein and these guys are pretty much confessed traffickers and have on numerous occasions confessed to coercion which is a crime.
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Your joking right? Most MAGA are nut job Christians, and then there's the fact most states in America allow Child marriages, most of the time Right wing Christians that rape kids and then the kids get forced to marry them to make it legal.
 
Richard - London said:
Your joking right? Most MAGA are nut job Christians, and then there's the fact most states in America allow Child marriages, most of the time Right wing Christians that rape kids and then the kids get forced to marry them to make it legal.
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Is any of this factual, like any of it at all?
 
Richard - London said:
Your joking right? Most MAGA are nut job Christians, and then there's the fact most states in America allow Child marriages
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Many states allow marriage at 17, 16, 15 and four states set no age limit. But in most of those cases below 18, and all of the cases of 16 and under, the court must approve it. While even that is not ideal we should keep in mind that the UK allowed child marriage (age 16 and 17) without court approval until as recently as 2023. So while technically you might be right, that's just a headline grabbing statement that belies the actual situation.

Richard - London said:
most of the time Right wing Christians that rape kids and then the kids get forced to marry them to make it legal.
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Can you offer any supporting evidence of the fact that most of the time it happens? Sure it's probably happened. But most of the time?
 
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jpaul said:
Kyle Clifford case judge didn't tell jury about kc tate addiction unclear if jury would have thought that excused him (like trump inciting assault on congress)
or conversely jury just thought it consolidated guilt (biassed by opinion of tate say)
Starmer should be utilising online harms bill - to coerce google/X/podcast-sites
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Why would any media consumption excuse triple murder?

Also as much as I have distaste for some of Tate's words and behaviour, trying to put some blame towards him for a triple murderer because the culprit listened to his content is a bridge or 2 too far
 
Is that why impressible young boys are reiterating their garbage verbatim and making girls lives miserable? Now maybe they aren't the root cause of it but they're little more than vagabonds exploiting folks who lack decent role models and that's without the possibility that they've engaged in the slave trade or worse.
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I think you're missing my point. Far from condoning these idiots (the Incels, and there are many of them out there), I tried to point out that if they, and their like, did not get global media attention every time they open their cake holes, then perhaps the 'impressionable' would have no hook to hang their coat on?

In the mean time we have war on at least two fronts.
 
Hades said:
Many states allow marriage at 17, 16, 15 and four states set no age limit. But in most of those cases below 18, and all of the cases of 16 and under, the court must approve it. While even that is not ideal we should keep in mind that the UK allowed child marriage (age 16 and 17) without court approval until as recently as 2023. So while technically you might be right, that's just a headline grabbing statement that belies the actual situation.


Can you offer any supporting evidence of the fact that most of the time it happens? Sure it's probably happened. But most of the time?
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“60,000 marriages since 2000 occurred at an age or spousal age difference that should have been considered a sex crime [8].

In about 88% of those marriages, the marriage license became a “get out of jail free” card for a would-be rapist under state law that specifically allowed within marriage what would otherwise be considered statutory rape.

In the other 12% of those marriages, the state sent a child home to be raped. The marriage was legal under state law, but sex within the marriage was a crime.”

www.unchainedatlast.org

United States' Child Marriage Problem: Study Findings (April 2021) - Unchained At Last

The United States has a child marriage problem - but a simple solution is available. Nearly 300,000 minors, under age 18, were legally married in the U.S. between 2000 and 2018, this study found.
www.unchainedatlast.org www.unchainedatlast.org
 
Richard - London said:
“60,000 marriages since 2000 occurred at an age or spousal age difference that should have been considered a sex crime [8].

In about 88% of those marriages, the marriage license became a “get out of jail free” card for a would-be rapist under state law that specifically allowed within marriage what would otherwise be considered statutory rape.

In the other 12% of those marriages, the state sent a child home to be raped. The marriage was legal under state law, but sex within the marriage was a crime.”

www.unchainedatlast.org

United States' Child Marriage Problem: Study Findings (April 2021) - Unchained At Last

The United States has a child marriage problem - but a simple solution is available. Nearly 300,000 minors, under age 18, were legally married in the U.S. between 2000 and 2018, this study found.
www.unchainedatlast.org www.unchainedatlast.org
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I'm not sure calling every person under the age of 18 a child is entirely helpful. 16 is the age of consent in the UK.

'Some 96% of the children wed were age 16 or 17'
 
Richard - London said:
“60,000 marriages since 2000 occurred at an age or spousal age difference that should have been considered a sex crime [8].
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So around 15,000 marriages per year in a country of 300 million. Of course even one is terrible but that's hardly a majority in a country of 300,000,000 people. But also look at the wording of what you quoted: "at an age or spousal age difference that should have been considered a sex crime" They have included spousal age difference as a factor here and not just age. That includes 16 and 17 year olds who have sex with someone more than three years their age (a reminder that the age of consent in our own country is 16). So again the headline is meant to shock, and the law there, at least for 16 and 17 year olds, is stricter than our own country that doesn't have age difference laws.

Richard - London said:
In about 88% of those marriages, the marriage license became a “get out of jail free” card for a would-be rapist under state law that specifically allowed within marriage what would otherwise be considered statutory rape.
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That doesn't mean if they quickly marry someone they get a "free pass" for an earlier crime. It means that sex within marriage is treated differently to sex outside of marriage. A past crime won't be absolved by marriage. The issue here is the laws brought in by people that the states and country voted for.

I'm not defending their laws and I'm not defending the people taking advantage of kids. Yes it happens. Yes it should be stopped. But it's not the widespread abuse that your statement made it out to be.
 
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Hades said:
So around 15,000 marriages per year in a country of 300 million. Of course even one is terrible but that's hardly a majority in a country of 300,000,000 people. But also look at the wording of what you quoted: "at an age or spousal age difference that should have been considered a sex crime" They have included spousal age difference as a factor here and not just age. That includes 16 and 17 year olds who have sex with someone more than three years their age (a reminder that the age of consent in our own country is 16). So again the headline is meant to shock, and the law there, at least for 16 and 17 year olds, is stricter than our own country that doesn't have age difference laws.


That doesn't mean if they quickly marry someone they get a "free pass" for an earlier crime. It means that sex within marriage is treated differently to sex outside of marriage. A past crime won't be absolved by marriage. The issue here is the laws brought in by people that the states and country voted for.

I'm not defending their laws and I'm not defending the people taking advantage of kids. Yes it happens. Yes it should be stopped. But it's not the widespread abuse that your statement made it out to be.
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Maybe you missed the bit where 5 10 year olds were legally married? 1 11 year old, 14 12 year olds and 78 13 year olds, all legally married.
 
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