Tax dodging builder?

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Posting here as it's more related to payment and tax than actual 'Home and Garden'. Happy for it to be moved if needed though.

Had some paving and landscaping done by a paving company I found online recently. Let's call it Paving R us. At outset of the job, there was no agreement to pay in cash, he seemed very professional while quoting, and although he didn't produce a professional looking quote, because it was a routine job I was happy with his verbal quote.

The work was carried out well, if seemingly not managed tremendously well. I'm happy with the end result and the timescale was reasonable, so no major qualms, but he lied about when he'd come round - it was mostly his operatives doing the work who didn't speak english so made questions during the job very difficult, and was very elusive. Anyway, job is now done.

Ever since the matter of payment has come up, he's been a nightmare. He asked for full payment in cash, saying that as a builder it's much easier for him to pay suppliers with cash etc. I said well if I pay you via bank transfer, you can surely just withdraw it from the bank and you've got the cash in your hand. And I could pay him sooner via transfer than cash in hand so the matter of cash flow didn't stand to reason. He assured me it's 100% legit and nothing to do with tax, but had no answer for my query why a bank transfer wouldn't work. I wasn't mad on withdrawing over £4k in cash and then getting the train home, followed by a 20 minute walk in the dark - I'm based a commute away from home and obviously the bank is closed once I get nearer to home.

So I said please send me a company invoice detailing works done and with bank details and I can pay immediately. Just finally tonight (6 days after first discussion of payment) he's come round and given us a written receipt (upon which he's signed that we've paid in full, oops!), but not an invoice. I then said, we need bank details to pay you, and he sent us details via text of another company, let's call them 'Driveway upgrades Ltd'.

Am I being too picky or is it completely not legit that he isn't able to do the simple task of producing an invoice that bears his company name, the works carried out, price and his bank details - of the actual company? The company is a limited company, not just a small one man band or anything.

It seems like a total tax dodge to me, and although I will pay him for services rendered, I'm inclined to not do so until he gives me a proper invoice. Where does that stand legally? Am I being a nightmare customer or is this fair enough?
 
Yes your being a nightmare

Hes given u a reciept. Give him the cash and stop overthinking your life. If hes tax dodging thats not your problem.

And if you cant get the cash then explain that and transfer the money and ask him to modify the reciept if needed
 
Being limited means nothing, I know people who are Limited and they're one person
It does mean something, it means he has to produce statutory accounts, whereas he wouldn't if he wasn't operating as a company. Which imo makes an invoice even more important and puzzling to not be able to produce, not filing statutory accounts correctly is legally a big issue.
 
Can understand the imposition of paying that kind of amount in cash. Other than that make some arrangement for paying and if you really feel strongly about it I'm sure there is a regulatory body you can report to.
 
Those non English speaking guys are 99% being paid in cash. Like others have said though you are happy with the job, he's asked for cash so pay the man in cash. His tax issues are his tax issues. I wish some of clients would pay in cash on occasion :(
 
It's all very well to say "pay in cash" but for a lot of people it's a ballache to get 4k out in cash and then get it home. If he wanted cash he should have said at the outset and discounted appropriately. Is he VAT registered? If so then he's probably saving on both that and what he's paying the workers. I'd want to pay less if it was in cash, because it's obvious why he wants to be paid in cash
 
So what? Tax dodgers mean the rest of us pay more or theres less money for services or deficit goes up and we all moan about services not being funded as well as we'd wish.

Say his company turns over £500K a year and £200k is received in cash, thats potentially £20k-£40k tax dodged.

Wish the HMRC would set up and advertise some sort of anonymous site where you could report someone/company that insisted on payment in cash, put dates etc then that I would hope that could potentially be crossed checked against the companies accounts filed at the year end.

https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/shortforms/form/TEH_IRF

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So what? Tax dodgers mean the rest of us pay more or theres less money for services or deficit goes up and we all moan about services not being funded as well as we'd wish.

Say his company turns over £500K a year and £200k is received in cash, thats potentially £20k-£40k tax dodged.

Wish the HMRC would set up and advertise some sort of anonymous site where you could report someone/company that insisted on payment in cash, put dates etc then that I would hope that could potentially be crossed checked against the companies accounts filed at the year end.

Most tradesman would be in jail then so maybe not a good idea.
 
I lifted £5k from my back account the other week to pay for work done.

The teller didn't bat an eye at the request and I got a receipt from the builder detailing work done and the fact I'd paid in cash. Prior to that the quote and agreed spec was all done verbally.

I didn't feel comfortable with the builder asking for that amount of cash at first but if the work had been done satisfactorily then what's the harm.

I'm not HMRC and I'm going on the assumption the guy is paying the tax due. I've got better things to be worrying about tbh.
 
You are completely right OP, no way would I be paying that amount in cash, especially with just a written receipt.
 
Most of the time there's no reasonable excuse for using cash for this sort of thing nowadays... legit contractors should prefer to do everything electronically as it allows an easy audit trail when sorting out their tax affairs/if HMRC investigate them/etc. Wanting cash for materials doesn't make sense... why would the building supplies place want cash left, right, and centre from contractors? Unless they're the dodgy link in the chain of course. The most likely dodge is the contractor using that cash to pay subcontractors cash in hand...

Can anyone actually present a reasonable argument for using cash? It's not as though we're in the days of cheques. We're in the days of faster payments which moves money practically instantly. I think of pensioners who are wedded to cash/can't get their heads around online banking... but outside of that it's just enabling tax evasion.
 
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