Teacher sacked for breaking up a fight.

JonRGV250 · 14 Jul 2023 at 17:50

Swansea: Hundreds of teachers strike over school brawl sacking

The union says teachers should feel supported in the face of rising violence in schools.

www.bbc.co.uk

Teacher sacked 'for breaking up fight between pupils,' union claims

The teacher is said to have intervened when a fight in a corridor escalated and two boys 'fell through the door' into his classroom

www.walesonline.co.uk

From the look of it it's utter madness and probably won't entice anyone into the profession if that's what is going to happen.

Freddie1980 · 14 Jul 2023 at 18:09

For once I'm with the unions on this one, a teacher should be able to break up a fight without fear of sanctions (provided the teacher hasn't been using unreasonable force on the pupils).

This country has it's priorities wrong, police sit by and do nothing while there's an ongoing crime, teachers getting the boot for breaking up fights, our tools of internal state security have been rendered useless because there worried if they interfere they will be the ones who get in trouble.

Diddums · 14 Jul 2023 at 18:09

Teach should've just lamped them tbh, if you're gonna get fired at least make it worth while.

Ayahuasca · 14 Jul 2023 at 18:12

That's the way society has been heading for years. You can't say or do anything because then you're the problem.

I read a case the other day where some kids had smashed someone's windows and the owner did what most people would do and gave them a good old bollocking. Next thing he knows the parents have turned up, followed by the police and he ended up being taken in for questioning and then cautioned under the Public Order Act.

It goes all the way down to minor things as well, I’ve seen parents absolutely tee off on people because their little darling has been politely told to stop doing something. Then they wonder (or do they) why they end up with some utter scrote of a teenager or young adult.

StriderX · 14 Jul 2023 at 18:13

Whilst I side with the teacher and find this dumb I can see it from the schools position that having a blind eye to teachers intervening could easily end up in a disaster if students start getting hurt in the process thus making schools liable, just not worth the hassle frankly. It looks like they're making an example out of the teacher to ensure nobody else even thinks about getting involved.

As depressing as this is to say the fact is that schools are stretched so thin that they just don't have the resources to deal with any drama, so I'm not sure I can really blame the school for it when it's the politicians that have contributed most to state of affairs in education and just expect teachers to live with it.

Tony Edwards · 14 Jul 2023 at 18:21

Youd think the parents would be outside the school picketing about this also. Id like to think there was someone ready and able to stop fights at kids schools.

Pottsey · 14 Jul 2023 at 18:21

StriderX said:
Whilst I side with the teacher and find this dumb I can see it from the schools position that having a blind eye to teachers intervening could easily end up in a disaster if students start getting hurt in the process thus making schools liable, just not worth the hassle frankly. It looks like they're making an example out of the teacher to ensure nobody else even thinks about getting involved.

As depressing as this is to say the fact is that schools are stretched so thin that they just don't have the resources to deal with any drama, so I'm not sure I can really blame the school for it when it's the politicians that have contributed most to state of affairs in education and just expect teachers to live with it.

That doesn't make sense as School staff are allowed to get involved and use reasonable force by law. So if the student gets hurt as long as reasonable force was used no one is liable. On the other hand staff have a duty of care and not getting involved can be seen as not providing duty of care and if the student gets hurt because you decided to stand back and do nothing then you are liable.

Rroff · 14 Jul 2023 at 18:27

StriderX said:
Whilst I side with the teacher and find this dumb I can see it from the schools position that having a blind eye to teachers intervening could easily end up in a disaster if students start getting hurt in the process thus making schools liable, just not worth the hassle frankly. It looks like they're making an example out of the teacher to ensure nobody else even thinks about getting involved.

As depressing as this is to say the fact is that schools are stretched so thin that they just don't have the resources to deal with any drama, so I'm not sure I can really blame the school for it when it's the politicians that have contributed most to state of affairs in education and just expect teachers to live with it.

Don't need to turn a blind eye as long as, annoying as it might be, instances were properly documented.

GGizmo · 14 Jul 2023 at 18:42

I'd hate to be a teacher these days.

The amount of distractions in schools seems to be off the charts.

StriderX · 14 Jul 2023 at 19:17

Rroff said:
Don't need to turn a blind eye as long as, annoying as it might be, instances were properly documented.

Not sure schools with their veritable mountain of paperwork want more 'documents' and especially not when it could mean being downgraded by Ofsted.

CaptainRAVE · 14 Jul 2023 at 19:23

Get in trouble for intervening, get in trouble for not intervening. You can’t win. I bet they’re all ‘little angels’ according to the parents. Who’d want to be a teacher with todays feral, entitled youth (and parents who support such behaviour).

iron_monkey · 14 Jul 2023 at 19:27

Crazy world we live in these days.

StriderX · 14 Jul 2023 at 19:28

CaptainRAVE said:
Get in trouble for intervening, get in trouble for not intervening. You can’t win. I bet they’re all ‘little angels’ according to the parents. Who’d want to be a teacher with todays feral, entitled youth (and parents who support such behaviour).

Don't think i'd ever risk intervening nowadays as the parents of scrotes would likely just start spreading noncery rumours that of course the school won't bother with either.

Caracus2k · 14 Jul 2023 at 19:38

If this story is as described then it's a disgrace.

Teachers absolutely should be backed up if they need to use force to separate children fighting with each other.

As with all self defence/ defence of another there has to be quite a wide interpretation of what is reasonable with only clearly inappropriate acts on behalf of the teacher taken any further.

Bluecube · 14 Jul 2023 at 19:43

This is not new. Years ago a teacher I knew was taken to court by a parent for breaking up a fight. The son of this so called parent was stamping on another boys head…

Efour · 14 Jul 2023 at 19:52

Sister was a teacher for 5 years.

Working 16h+ days and constant abuse both physically and mentally from trash inner city kids.....
Kids can be animals. F that.... wouldn't do it for all the tea in china.

dowie · 14 Jul 2023 at 19:59

JonRGV250 said:
From the look of it it's utter madness and probably won't entice anyone into the profession if that's what is going to happen.

Sounds like the local authority employs the more woke-pilled leftist types that have become even more woke than unions!

This is like the mentality behind; don't call the police when you see a crime as it harms the BIPOC community, defund the police/we should send in social workers, abolish prison etc...

How dare a male teacher use his toxic masculinity to physically intervene in a fight, they should have just used words and listened to the needs of the violent boys.

moon man · 14 Jul 2023 at 20:02

I remember one of our teachers used to attend the organised fights the kids did after school as a spectator , maybe its not a thing now but lads fought to enter ranking of toughest, 70s Yorkshire no drugs or knives just fists and a small to moderate amount of nose blood

dowie · 14 Jul 2023 at 20:08

Rather telling of the mentality of the school:

Teacher sacked 'for breaking up fight between pupils,' union claims

The teacher is said to have intervened when a fight in a corridor escalated and two boys 'fell through the door' into his classroom

www.walesonline.co.uk

Mr Butler said there was no formal complaint from either of the boys or their parents about the incident. He does not believe either boy was disciplined.

Having a fight in the playground (a more usual place for one, away from teachers) would be enough for a detention surely? Having a fight inside a school corridor to the point where you burst into a classroom with a teacher present and then have to be physically separated would surely be several detentions or a suspension from school for the pupils.

Sounds like a lack of discipline/consequences at that school.

StriderX · 14 Jul 2023 at 20:09

dowie said:
Sounds like the local authority employs the more woke-pilled leftist types that have become even more woke than unions!

This is like the mentality behind; don't call the police when you see a crime as it harms the BIPOC community, defund the police/we should send in social workers, abolish prison etc...

How dare a male teacher use his toxic masculinity to physically intervene in a fight, they should have just used words and listened to the needs of the violent boys.

That seems far too complex and you know it. The most likely explanation that they just don't want the risk associated with it in terms of the parents having a mission to ruin the teacher's life or the press desperate to keep the frothers angry taking a very intrusive dive into the teacher's life for daring to be anything other than a weak wokist as you so put it because it complicates their agenda.