Teachers on strike

amigafan2003 said “It's about time the "rest" got off their **** and did something about it then!”
Like what? The Teachers don’t care and won’t support us but they expect us to support them so it’s hard to get enough votes to strike or enough numbers for MP’s to listen to us.

When the rest of the school staff had our pay freeze much longer then teachers, real pay cuts in the £1000’s and everything else, teachers didn’t care. Our only option was to take it or jump ship.
 
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amigafan2003 said “It's about time the "rest" got off their **** and did something about it then!”
Like what? The Teachers don’t care and won’t support us but they expect us to support them so it’s hard to get enough votes to strike or enough numbers for MP’s to listen to us.

When we had our pay freeze much longer then teachers, real pay cuts in the £1000’s and everything else, teachers didn’t care. Our only option was to take it or jump ship.
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exactly

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...s-for-millions-of-private-sector-workers.html

where was the public sector support when private sector was being heavily raped in 2009................. oh yes thats right they were being greased up by the labour government to try and buy some more votes to keep them in power.
 
I have every sympathy for teachers and agree that they deserve greater reward for what is a vital contribution to the progression of humankind.

However, in our current economic and social climate teachers will have to realise that it is simply no longer viable to expect perks to the level that was possible in the past.

Truly irresponsible levels of immigration have basically crippled ALL social services in this country, be they education or health, but especially in education when local authorities are having to pay huge amounts to facilitate thousands upon thousands of children who don't even speak English.

Some London schools have up to 80 different languages spoken in them - all funded by the taxpayer, it's a ludicrous and borderline tragic situation that the last Labour government created. The irony is that I'm sure most teachers are Labour supporters - well if their previous policies had been allowed to continue then we might as well have given up entirely.

The current administration are far from perfect, but at least they are trying to do something about it. If it was up to me teachers would get double what they get now - but it just isn't practical or realistic - these strikes are unlikely to yield anything of substance yet they will cause harm to children's education.

However, I'm in the paradoxical situation of supporting and having every sympathy for teachers in what is likely going to be a futile effort.

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wildman said “where was the public sector support when private sector was being heavily raped in 2009................. oh yes thats right they were being greased up by the labour government to try and buy some more votes to keep them in power. “
I edited my post so it’s clearer. But if by greased up you mean paycuts and payfreeze sure. Ok the teachers had it super easy at got greased with a pay rise up but the rest of the public sector support had to go through pay freeze and job evolution/single statues which meant pay cuts for many. I know for some the governments inefficiently meant the paycuts and freeze did not happen till jan 2010 but it happened.

Many people don’t realise the rest of the school staff and other public workers have had the paycuts, pay freeze just like private sector. It’s only the teachers who got off light.

In fact I would go as far to say many public workers have been hit much harder than the private sector.
 
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wildman said:
exactly

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...s-for-millions-of-private-sector-workers.html

where was the public sector support when private sector was being heavily raped in 2009................. oh yes thats right they were being greased up by the labour government to try and buy some more votes to keep them in power.
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The support WAS there. We had a mandated pay freeze by our company in 2010 but we decided it wasn't good enough what with the company making $2.7 billion in profit that year. We mounted a campaign to get that addressed and recd great support from our public sector compatriots and ended up taking three days strike action - DWP staff even took joint action with us on 24th March.

6 months later we'd won a 3.95% avg payrise with those under £15.5k salary getting raised to £15.5k minimum or a 10% rise, whichever was greater, and a no CR garuntee for the rest of the year and a proper fleshed out Job Security Agreement, that's still in place as we speak.

This year we've reaped the benefit again of this action as this time the company have entered straight into meaningfull pay negotiations with a 4% offer over two years and backdated to Feb with indications that they are hapy to negotiate upwards of this if we show some flexibilty on Performance Management procedures.

As I said, organise and campaign and you'll get the support - no one's going to do it for you though.
 
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amigafan2003 said:
As I said, organise and campaign and you'll get the support - no one's going to do it for you though.
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so why do the public sector keep thinking that the tax payer should pay their pensions for them then ??

You can't have it both ways. Private sector workers do what they can to protect themselves, public sector workers do what they can to rape the taxpayer. Yeah I can see how that works out
 
wildman said:
so why do the public sector keep thinking that the tax payer should pay their pensions for them then ??

You can't have it both ways. Private sector workers do what they can to protect themselves, public sector workers do what they can to rape the taxpayer. Yeah I can see how that works out
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What?

Seriously think about what you just posted!

Why should the people pay for the public worker...

DUH!

Because they are providing a service to the public?
Why should I pay for any service produced through the private sector?

Because everyone works damn hard of course!

Would you rather we just send our children down the mines again? Valuable work experience and all that...
 
wildman said:
so why do the public sector keep thinking that the tax payer should pay their pensions for them then ??

You can't have it both ways. Private sector workers do what they can to protect themselves, public sector workers do what they can to rape the taxpayer. Yeah I can see how that works out
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It shouldn't be private vs public though - it should be all workers together - regardless of who your employer is.

We need greater ownership of business by workers with democratic control of the decision making process, much like John Lewis, rendering Trade Unions pointless.

BTW - I shop exclusively at Ocado/Waitrose for my groceries, as a way of supporting this inovative and socially responsible business model (Waitrose are owned by John Lewis and they supply Ocado).
 
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amigafan2003 said:
It shouldn't be private vs public though - it should be all workers together - regardless of who your employer is.

We need greater ownership of business by workers with democratic control of the decision making process, much like John Lewis, rendering Trade Unions pointless.

BTW - I shop exclusively at Ocado/Waitrose for my groceries, as a way of supporting this inovative and socially responsible business model (Waitrose are owned by John Lewis and they supply Ocado).
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I agree with the sentiment, but the reality is it will never happen, not while one section of the workforce have guaranteed pensions underwritten by taxpayers from the other.

Yes I know public sector workers pay tax also so they are effectively paying into their own pensions that way, but private sector workers are then being asked to fund their own private / work contributory pension and on top of that pay public sector pensions through taxation. That's why you will always have the divide.

The government are playing a very clever game of divide and conquer, while they sit back and watch the private vs public sector war rage on, they will be secretly shafting all of us without us even noticing until we haven't got a pot to **** in
 
Wildman are aware that public sector pensions come out of the public sector wages as well? So it’s not like we get the pension for free, we lose money from our wage to go into the pension.

For example if a public sector person wage is £1600 per month they would lose around about £100 to pensions per month and £300 odd to income tax and national insurance e.c.t. (number rounded not, 100% precise) coming out with £1200 per month into the bank.

It’s not like we get the pension for free on top of our wage. It very much gets taken out our wage.
 
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Wildman are aware that public sector pensions come out of the public sector wages as well? So it’s not like we get the pension for free, we lose money from our wage to go into the pension.

For example if a public sector person wage is £1600 per month they would lose around about £100 to pensions per month and £300 odd to income tax and national insurance e.c.t. (number rounded not, 100% precise) coming out with £1200 per month into the bank.

It’s not like we get the pension for free on top of our wage. It very much gets taken out our wage.
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read my post again I already stated that yes public sector workers pay also for their pensions in part through their taxation, but private sector workers are having to pay for their own through normal private work scheme pensions and pay towards public sector ones via taxation.

So lets make it fair, public sector workers should also have to pay into a kitty that goes towards funding private sector pensions ? DO you like that ?? I bet you don't but its exactly what private sector workers are doing in order to fund public sector pensions.
 
wildman said:
read my post again I already stated that yes public sector workers pay also for their pensions in part through their taxation, but private sector workers are having to pay for their own through normal private work scheme pensions and pay towards public sector ones via taxation.

So lets make it fair, public sector workers should also have to pay into a kitty that goes towards funding private sector pensions ? DO you like that ?? I bet you don't but its exactly what private sector workers are doing in order to fund public sector pensions.
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Why didn't you say it before!

Yes, everyone should have a pension that everyone contributes to, we just need to find the right body to run it, who won't steal it!

There ya go, doesn't it feel good to come out with what you really want to say. :p
 
What you say makes no sense. Our work place funding comes from taxes as schools do not make a profit or charge for the service. Are you saying we shouldn’t get a pension just because our service is provided for free? How would you suggest fixing the problem? Schools should start charging parents for spots for children? All public workers should lose all pensions? Both hardly seem fair.

Public sectors having to pay their own pension from though their own wages on top of tax is the best way and its fair. I do not see what is wrong from this.

No I would not like funding the private sector pensions. As the private sector are not giving me service or product for free.


“So lets make it fair, public sector workers should also have to pay into a kitty that goes towards funding private sector pensions ?”
How would we do this without using tax payers’ money? how is that even fair in the first place? Seems very unfair to me.
 
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Delvis said:
Hello

Don't know if it has been posted in here or not: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...rl-crushed-by-tree-during-teacher-strike.html
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Tragic Sophie Howard was sitting on a bench in Middletons Road Recreation Ground, Yaxley, Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, when a giant branch fell from a 50ft high tree.
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Year-8 pupil Sophie, who is survived by her twin brother Elliott, was spending the day at home after her school Sawtry Community College closed due to industrial action.
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And that is why I do not read the Telegraph. They don't know what they are trying to save with their rubbish headlines.

Freak accident, must blame it on the Teachers!
 
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