Terror Plot Foiled

A suitcase has been found in High Wycombe containing according to a reliable police source everything needed for an "improvised device". BBC News 24

About the only meaning of the phrase of improvised device is IED ie home made bomb.

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cleanbluesky said:
They are organised around an inflexible ideology.
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It might be 'inflexible' but as there are as many interpretations as there are Imans its not the monlithic entity that it conveys to the outside world.
 
@if ®afiq said:
Take Forest Gate as a good recent example. I don't know the in's or outs of it but from what I gather there was an imminent threat from a chemical attack - so imminent that there was a no-fly zone imposed (although curiously, the neighbours were not evacuated) over the house.....and it transpired that not only was there no such thing in the house but the two suspects were 100% innocent of any terrorst related activites.
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Just because the police did not find what they were looking for does not mean that it was not there.
If they were looking with electronic equipment for nerve, blister, blood or choking agents then that equipment would almost certainly have struggled to find the constituent parts of the liquid explosives that are thought to have been intended for use in the current investigation. Infact that equipment won't have registered those component parts at all.
If they were using explosives detection equipment then again it may not have been capable of detecting component chemicals as it is designed to detect compounds although this might well change soon.

So a failure to find anything doesn't mean that there was nothing there to find, it simply means it was not found and they may have been looking for the wrong things altogether.

The brothers themselves are far from innocent muslims, they have criminal records for offences ranging from drug dealing to assault.
 
According to the BBC, the police have discovered several martyrdom videos on a laptop computer. Some of the suspects in custody are featured in said videos. An unofficial police source has told the BBC that they are indeed martyrdom videos.

Not sure if this is breaking or not, but it's certainly significant

Edit: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5265182.stm

Police investigating an alleged plot to bring down airliners have found several martyrdom videos in the course of their searches, the BBC has learned.

Unofficial police sources said the recordings - discovered on laptop computers - appear to have been made by some of the suspects being questioned.

Scotland Yard has refused to comment on what officers are finding.

Police are continuing to search woodland at High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire and 14 addresses.

The Metropolitan Police, which is leading the inquiry, has said it has already completed searches of 36 business and residential sites.

A total of 20 vehicles have also been searched [...]
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The timing is political Friday August 18, 2006
Nine days on, nobody has been charged with any crime. For there to be no clear evidence yet on something that was "imminent" and would bring "mass murder on an unbelievable scale" is, to say the least, peculiar. A 24th person, arrested amid much fanfare on Tuesday, was quietly released without charge the following day.
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None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane ticket. Many did not have passports. It could be pretty difficult to convince a jury that these individuals were about to go through with suicide bombings, whatever they bragged about on the net.
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In all of this, the one thing of which I am certain is that the timing is deeply political. This is more propaganda than plot. More than 1,000 British Muslims have been arrested under anti-terrorist legislation, but only 12% have been charged. That is harassment on an appalling scale. Of those charged, 80% were acquitted. Most of the few convictions - just over 2% of arrests - are nothing to do with terrorism, but some minor offence the police happened upon while trawling through the lives they have wrecked.
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Be sceptical. Be very, very sceptical.
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Load of rubbish, biased liberal article imo.


If you intercept a message from Pakistan to a person marked as a security risk in the UK, just after Pakistan arrests someone who then confesses a terrorist plot, and this message translated to "Do the attack NOW", you don't sit back and chill out in the garden with a beer.
 
12% of those arrested get charged sounds about the average for 'normal' arrests. And a couple of years ago when a similar number was bandied about the rates were also compatible with non terrorist suspects being charged.

Of course the guardian article ignores what other police leaks have revealed such as bomb making equipement and martyrdom videos. I guess only their police source, cos how else do they know about passports, is trustworthy.

As the man said "Be sceptical. Be very, very sceptical".
 
Over Clocker said:
Load of rubbish, biased liberal article imo.
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Yeah, to be fair I think you're right - it is only a 'comment' piece. I guess only time will tell... on second thoughts I expect we’ll never have a totally clear idea of what’s going on!
 
Suspect charged over 'bomb plot'

BBC

Suspect charged over 'bomb plot'

A woman has been charged in connection with an alleged plot to blow up several transatlantic airliners.

The announcement was made as lawyers for the woman began court proceedings challenging her detention by police.

Police sources have told the BBC more suspects will be charged on Monday afternoon.
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That has all the appearance of the police's hand being forced.

Her legal counsel makes representations that her continued internment is illegal (which, it would appear, it is) without charge, forcing old bill to actually charge.

One quick comment on her lawyer's claims - I'm sure many will consider her claim that she should be freed as being invalid, due to the nature of the charges. However, we are a society governed by the rule of law and those rules cannot be changed on the fly.

In this case, the judge did not give any reason for her continued internment, as required by the law.

It's not as if the government could not have foreseen the eventuality, that there might be a reason for a judge not declaring why an individual might be kepy in custody - Then they could have legislated for that eventuality, and the woman could have been kept under lock and key.

As it stands, you can't just change the rules because, oops, you didn't think of that.
 
Charges Over Terror Plot

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Charges Over Terror Plot

Updated: 16:20, Monday August 21, 2006

Eleven suspects in the alleged UK airport terror plot have been charged, it has been revealed. Police said eight people were charged with conspiracy to murder and preparing acts of terrorism. The three others have been charged with other offences under the anti-terrorism Act. One of these is a 17-year-old.

One woman has been released without charge and eleven others are still in custody. A total of 23 people were arrested after the plan to blow up several transatlantic flights was revealed on August 10.

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Detectives had until later today to question two of the suspects and until Wednesday to question the others before applying for a warrant to hold them for longer.

News of the charges came as the lawyers for one of those arersted were about to begin legal action over her detention.
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Borris said:
That has all the appearance of the police's hand being forced.

Her legal counsel makes representations that her continued internment is illegal (which, it would appear, it is) without charge, forcing old bill to actually charge.

One quick comment on her lawyer's claims - I'm sure many will consider her claim that she should be freed as being invalid, due to the nature of the charges. However, we are a society governed by the rule of law and those rules cannot be changed on the fly.

In this case, the judge did not give any reason for her continued internment, as required by the law.

It's not as if the government could not have foreseen the eventuality, that there might be a reason for a judge not declaring why an individual might be kepy in custody - Then they could have legislated for that eventuality, and the woman could have been kept under lock and key.

As it stands, you can't just change the rules because, oops, you didn't think of that.
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If there was a mistake it was by the judge who didnot give reasons for allowing her continued detention by the police. So to blame the police seems a tad harsh. And even if they'd had to release her they could still have charged her at a time of their choosing.

Also the fact that 10 others were also charged suggests that the decision was allready made and it wasn't in response to her appeal.
 
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Sleepy said:
If there was a mistake it was by the judge who didnot give reasons for allowing her continued detention by the police. So to blame the police seems a tad harsh. And even if they'd had to release her they could still have charged her at a time of their choosing.

Also the fact that 10 others were also charged suggests that the decision was allready made and it wasn't in response to her appeal.
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I'm not really blaming the coppers for the judges mistakes, just soapboxing a little.

You're right, however - Although the timing is coincidental, it's just as likely that her counsel saw this as a way to get her off, as they were expecting her to be charged imminently.
 
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